"Establish an "Age of Sail Board" " Topic

Currently we have a number of naval boards:

Galleys under the Ancient Board,
Napoleonic Board under the Napoleonic Board
Ironclad under ACW
Naval 1880-1920 under WWI
WWII under the WWII Board
Modern Naval under the Modern Board.

Most of these are logical.

The problem comes with the Age of Sail cover the period from 1550 to 1830. None the most common period gamed
undoubted the Napoleonic Period, but currently we have problems as to where to post the following:

Spanish Armada
Anglo-Dutch Wars
Scandinavian Wars of the late 17th
Age of Piracy
9 Years War and War of the Spanish Succession
7 Years War
American Revolutionary War at Sea on on the Great Lakes
Russo- Turkish War in the 1820.

Currently you can post in the relevant main discussion page with the problems associated with posting naval on land boards. Or you can post on the Napoleonic Board and risk not have the post addressed.

We did discuss this before

TMP link

When I asked The Dear Leader if anything was being done about this he informed me we had to have a pole on the matter. So here we go.

Proposal:

The Napoleonic Naval Discussion Board be renamed "Age of Sail Board".

That links to the "Age of Sail Board" be provided from the following Boards:

Renaissance Board
18thC Board
Napoleonic Board
19thC Board.

A link to the Ironclad Board and the 1880-1920 Board be provided from the 19thC Board.

So gentlemen, what do you think?

You have my vote! And incorporate the Napoleonic Naval Painting Guide board as well.

There you go making sense again, Elliott. You know it's against forum policy to make sense.

We need a poll. I support your suggestions wholeheartedly. Thanks also for remembering the poor, hidden Ironclads board.

Ron

We need a pool indeed.
I vote for mantain the Napoleonic Naval… and add a new board for "Age of Sail".

Amicalement
Armand

I think this is a fine idea. The naval boards are in a bit of a mess, and this would surely help.

I also think something similar should be done with the steel navies. Currently if you want to write about, say HMS Victoria (and why wouldn´t you?), there is no place to post it. The Ironclads board says it is for the ACW, and Naval Gaming 1898-1929 is too late.

I also think that 138 Sqn and Volunteer have the right ideas.

The alternative suggestion would be from Yellow Admiral:

Ideally, I'd like to see a topic "NAVAL GAMING BOARDS" topic containing the naval discussion boards from each genre:

Galleys
Age of Sail
Age of Sail Painting Guides
Pirates
Ironclads
Naval Gaming 1898-1929
WWII Naval Discussion
WWII Naval Gallery
WWII Naval Painting Guides
WWII Naval Product Reviews
Modern Naval Discussion
Fantasy

You have my vote! And incorporate the Napoleonic Naval Painting Guide board as well.

Good catch, I overlooked the redheaded stepchild.

I'm in favor of this. While most of my AoS is Napoleonic (to include War of 1812) I do sometimes dabble in the other periods and I am always interested in reading about them.

I completely agree. It seems to me, the only detail left to determine is if it should only deal with a specific time period or encompass all things naval (including painting).

Let the polling begin!

Yes to the OP (change "Napoleonic Naval xxxx" to "Age of Sail Naval xxxx", link to multiple subject categories).

Can I vote more than once? :-)

- Ix

Yes, it should be made!

I would say said, to an all sail board.From the end of oars and the start of steam. But the cross-over date would be hard. Could I talk about say the in-shore fleets of the Baltic Napoleonic, which are manly oared, or oared and sail?
Be safe
Rory

I think we need to clarify the content of the new board, so it should be named the "Age of Sail-SFW Board."

I like the idea of a Naval Gaming Board with sub boards in it. I get tired of going all over the place for naval boards.

How about this: Main board "Naval Gaming Boards". Within this:
Ancient Naval
Galleys
Age of Sail
• Armada/Lepanto
• Anglo/Dutch Wars
• Seven Years War
• American Revolution
• Napoleonic Naval Discusion
○ Napoleonic Naval Painting Guides
○ 1812 Great Lakes
• Steam and Sail
Ironclads
• European Ironclads
• ACW Ironclads
Predreadnoghts
Dreadnoughts
WWI Naval
WWII Naval
Modern Naval
Fantasy Naval

Whaever sub-boards are needed would easily fit under any of these headings.

Volunteer,

That is a really good suggestion.

Have the Ironclad as 1850-1880
Predreadnoght 1880-1905
Dreadnought 1906-1920

No need for WWI naval.

Gentlemen!

Make it so!

138SquadronRAF,
Sounds good to me.

D'accord!

I'm all for it. Volunteer's suggestion is a very good place to start.

I don't wish to nit pick, but I think retaining a WWI Naval board might be a good idea. A section listed as Dreadnought 1906-1920 might seem confusing when discussing cruiser actions. Besides, if we have Napoleonic Naval section, it seems appropriate to have one for the Great War.

I thought the idea was to roll Napoleonic into Age of Fighting Sail.

Keeping WWI and drooping Dreadnoght would work

Volunteer, I like your suggestion which gets my support .

I am interested in Anglo Dutch and its in within the Napoleonic board presently.

I don't know how many yeas we need before the Editor agrees. Maybe 50? War of 1812 got about 30 and was established.

Jut went and looked. War of 1812 only got 24 yeas and was established. We have 23. Come on people!

Oops, counted the 1812 votes again and it was actually 37 ayes for the new board before it was established. We have 23 votes so far.

So I asked Our Dear leader about this.

He told me we had to make a proposal on the Poll Page for it to be considered. Something he had not required by the 1812 Board. The only recent 1812 discussion on the Polls page was on your favorite song of war. In the interest of full disclosure this is mine:

YouTube link

So I raised the matter on the TPM Polls board, i.e this one.

Nothing happened. No poll and not action on renaming the Board.

Based on the discussion there Yellow Admiral suggested a Naval Board:

TMP link

Again no instant action unlike the 1812 Board.

So, once again I wrote to Our Dear Leader.

"I was informed The subject was raised on the TMP Poll board, and there was such support that no poll was necessary"

I then wrote back to Our Dear Leader who then informed me of the following:

"How can one board have links to other boards?"

I then politely suggested to The Dear Leader that it might helpful to tell this to the winder membership:

1) Create new topic in Message Boards called NAVAL GAMING BOARDS

That would mean creating a new Zone of Interest, with the boards gathered under it.

That could be difficult. (I haven't looked at the Zone of Interest coding in years…)

So there you it. The 1812 was not discussed on the polls page. At the time of creation had only about 20 people supporting it's creation. Including at least one sock-puppet. Again in the interests of full disclosure those supporting included myself because cause I did not want see the Napoleonic Board distracted by a sideshow.

So there you have it.

No love for this suggestion from The Dear Leader.

If anyone else wants to talk to The Dear Leader directly please feel free. I'm not sure I will get much further.

At the same time that we can elicit no editorial action on this eminently reasonable request, there is an actual poll up that includes the possibility for the creation of a board dedicated to Warhammer Historical's "Trafalgar" (possibly the most poorly designed game ever foisted on naval wargamers).

The irony is killing me.

My dear cousin, you are totally right!!

I cannot understand why there are some real silly polls (imho) and not one about this one.

Yesterday only I had post two or three threads that perfectly match with an "Age of Sail" Board.

Maybe Bill don't like Navy things? (big smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Probably my fault for just being involved. I don't think he likes me much for badgering him so much about bringing back the Workbench. Something else he doesn't seem to want to do.

No. It's fine the way it is. The search engine would need to improve drastically before I would approve.

Age of Sail… PLEASE!

Amicalement
Armand

It is NOT fine the way it is. Where can I find Dutch Wars posts? Where can I find 7YW Naval posts? Where can I find Armada or Lepanto posts?

Add to Vol's list. Baltic in-shore galley battles around the time of the Napoleonic/Revolutionary wars.
Be safe
Rory

No. It's fine the way it is.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm afraid I have to strongly disagree.

The naval gaming topics on TMP are fractured into time periods, which might be fine if there were a naval gaming topic under every time-period based Zone of Interest. There are not.

Worse, the naval gaming topics under each time period Zone of Interest are titled in a way that implies an exclusion of naval gaming topics relevant even to the time period (e.g., should I post about ACW commerce raider scenarios involving only wooden ships under "Ironclads"?).

The search engine would need to improve drastically before I would approve.

I don't know about anyone else, but I already use Google. Everything posted here is indexed in Google in less than 24 hours, and nobody does search better. In fact, the reason I have a TMP account at all is because Google kept taking me back to TMP during searches for information on particular games, periods, models, etc. and I decided I'd better be able to ask questions directly at the people who could answer them.

- Ix

I suspect the problem we're running into here is that all 27.43 of the naval gamers inhabiting TMP have voted, and it's not enough to cross the 30 vote threshold for a poll. Were I king of the world I would not let such statistical anomalies stand in the way of logical and efficient topical organization, but TMP is not my board.

Ironically this creates a bit of a catch-22 – as long as it's difficult to browse or post naval gaming topics, there will be a sort of automatic damper on creating more naval gaming content and drawing in more naval gaming TMP participants. TMP is a nice catch-all for the miniatures gaming hobby, it would be nice if naval gaming were supported just a little bit better.

- Ix

"TMP is a nice catch-all for the miniatures gaming hobby,"

When it's not under maintenance for two hours every day :)

An Age of Sail board would be great (and certainly more sensible than some of the other minor fads of the moment that seem to get boards), but there's obviously a method for determining whether new boards are created and, however flawed it is, it's the one we're going to have to put up with.

AGE OF SAIL NOW!!!!!!! (Smile)

Amicalement
Armand

As for example, where can I post this…?

U.S. Naval Academy Museum

From here
link

Amicalement
Armand

Another Age of Sail…

TMP link

Amicalement
Armand

Take into account…

TMP link

Amicalement
Armand

I'd like to see an Age of Sail board!

He have not to loose fait!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

I think doctorphalanx makes it 28.43 votes for a naval board. How many do we need again?

We need 30, but I bet 29.9 would be enough.

- Ix

Put my name down for a naval board.
Be safe
Rory

Thanks for the support my friend!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

I forgot to add my name in. Consider me a supporter of an Age of Sail board.

Kevin

Seems like the best approach is a PM direct to Editor Julia asking for a poll to be set up – broke the apparent embargo on a colonials board this week.

And I'd be more interested in such a board than the current set-up.