joe serge | 04 Sep 2014 9:23 a.m. PST |
Gents Was there any system bonus for capture flags guns , generals and so on? greetings joe serge |
OSchmidt | 04 Sep 2014 9:27 a.m. PST |
Not that I can recall. I know several gamers have painted up figure representing one of the unit with a captured color, but nothing that went into the rules. At least I've never run into one. |
joe serge | 04 Sep 2014 9:30 a.m. PST |
And Money wise or citation? greeting joe serge |
joe serge | 04 Sep 2014 9:32 a.m. PST |
Gent,What no promotion? greetings joe serge |
Murvihill | 04 Sep 2014 9:46 a.m. PST |
The Royal Navy had a great system for captured ships. If it was in halfway decent condition they'd basically buy it from the crew that captured it. |
John the OFM | 04 Sep 2014 9:47 a.m. PST |
There is a scene in Barry Lyndon where as a private in the Prussian army, he is presented a gold piece as a reward for doing something heroic. The navies of all nations had well codified Prize Law, telling exactly how much everyone from the admiral to the lowest bilge pumper third class would earn for various captures. Commerce raiding was usually the whole point of navies anyway. That and preventing it. So, it would make sense for their practices to be more codified. Such individual heroics in an army on the other hand, could detract from the "strategy" such as it was. There are a few examples of Roman soldiers going out of their way to do something in violation of the orders. If something was captured in the course of the battle, there may have been rewards after the battle, but they were pretty ad hoc arrangements. Some who captured Eagles got promoted, but not by policy. It was a reward. |
joe serge | 04 Sep 2014 10:04 a.m. PST |
Ik remember a copper plate at the back of a musket right greetings joe serge |
Oliver Schmidt | 04 Sep 2014 10:04 a.m. PST |
In 1813-15, in the Prussian army, units who captured guns (whose brass metal had a good material value) received financial rewards, as well as for captured horses. This money was paid after the campaign, and often used by the regiments for funds to help invalides from the unit, or later to assist old veterans in need. A promotion as reward would be unadvisable: a heroic soldier is not always necessarily a good leader. |
joe serge | 04 Sep 2014 10:15 a.m. PST |
Hear,hear just a Lucky bastard that day greetings joe serge |
xxxxxxx | 04 Sep 2014 10:24 a.m. PST |
Russian Cossack and Native cavalry, as part of their service "contracts" had various rights to captured equipment, supplies and so forth and bounties for prisoners. This was replaced by an all-bounty system from 1812, when these troops were to be used for an extended period of time against European foes. Similarly, to keep the local serfs (i) obedient and loyal to the Russian Empire in the western provinces and (ii) from exacting vengeance against enemy soldiers in the more eastern provinces, there was a system of bounties payable to the civilians. This was extended to a mandatory weapons "turn-in" program when it was noticed that the serfs were becoming uncomfortably well-armed. Immediately usable small captures of supplies, horses and equipment were usually shared by the ranker(s) who captured them with the messmates in their artel' and/or sold privately to officers – although I do not think was actually envisioned in the regulations. In general, up to the reign of Aleksandr, rewards for lower ranks were monetary in the Russian service. A typical award for some outstanding act was a year's pay and promotion if the soldier otherwise warranted it. The promotion could be in rank, and/or to the grenadiers or the guard. For a unit that did well, there might also be a banquet dinner. Aleksandr started various kinds of honorific awards for lower ranks (the soldier's Saint-George medal, or "Saint-George order of the 5th class") and units (Saint-George trumpets and flags, "for excellence" shako badges, etc.). - Sasha |
Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy | 04 Sep 2014 10:26 a.m. PST |
We cover this in 95th, a supplement for the free Chain Reaction rules. If you capture a special objective like an enemy officer you get additional chances to improve your character. |
dBerczerk | 04 Sep 2014 11:44 a.m. PST |
I seem to recall reading where members of Napoleon's Old Guard received a tot of cognac for retrieving cannonballs from the battlefield. Bringing in an enemy musket in working condition was worth two tots. I wonder where I read that -- I'll have to look for it. |
Skeets | 04 Sep 2014 6:16 p.m. PST |
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that payment was offered to soldiers for retrieved cannon balls. I don't recall the details unfortunately. I may be in a book somewhere in my library. |
McLaddie | 05 Sep 2014 2:15 a.m. PST |
Most all Napoleonic armies had an official rewards system for captured war material. [Not flags] For instance, like the Royal Navy, the British Army had a system of 'Prize Money', soldiers and officers receiving payment for captured war material. In 1814, at the end of the wars with France, Wellington wrote the Horse Guards complaining that tens of thousands of pounds in prize money had yet to be paid to his troops. British soldiers during the Peninsular Campaigns were known to steal officers' horses and attempt to turn them in as captured 'war material' for the prize money. This lasted well into the 19th Century. The British wars in India and the boarder states generated huge caches of captured war material and treasure. It was divided up among the expeditionary forces there following a system much like that of the Royal Navy where the officers and command received a larger share of the booty than the enlisted men. |