"Victrix hoplites a miss?" Topic

Not so much a miss exnomicly but a miss for more complete range.

I'm looking forward to getting my hand on their Romans! While I love Avantine figures, they are expencive and heavy(big figures) So I hope the victrix can get close to them.

But the hoplites are kinda a one off. they can fight eachother. but that's it.

If they knew they were gonna do Republican romans, why not do phalangites. that could be used for Pyrrhus and later greek roman wars.

You might be able to use some of the hoplites for pyrrhus as mercs but still.
I do not care for the warlord macedonian phalanx, so if I want good pikemen I have to go for avantine that are great.

Still a lack of a good Persian range in 28mm…

That was my thought, either stay with ancient greeks and persens, or do pyrrhus/Romans/carthageinians

The Greeks can fight celts, Macedonians, Romans and each other. They can fight with Macedonians against later Persians and the other way around.

The unarmoured and later hoplites boxes will also double up a Carthaginian citizen levy, and Greek mercenaries, so not that limited, they can fight half the ancient world!

You seem to be basing your annoyance on the lack of a box of phalangites that meets your taste, which is not the same at all.

The only thing I dont like about the Greeks is that I think they are a tad too tall.

If they knew they were gonna do Republican romans

Perhaps they did not?

I mean, Victrix first announced the Greeks 3 or 4 years ago, and it took them a whole lot of time to actually get them out.

I doubt there's enough market for two Persian ranges in plastic. I would expect somebody to do biblical next. Horde armies, not too many troop options, sounds ideal for plastic.

There is no Persian range at all. A "beginning" of a range, yes, but a range ? Far from it. Would be nice to see Victrix do something about it. Same with Saracens/Arabs from Fireforge. Same story.

Depends what you expect from plastic. You'll only see core troops of any army, with the rest fleshed out with metal. I don't think Victrix particularly want to go bust producing box sets they won't sell any quantity of. I could be wrong.

I can't see how producing the best plastic archaic/classical range can be a miss: a full hoplite range including Spartans, and the incredibly useful peltasts, archers and slingers. Victrix plastic hoplite range is not only complete vut also very, very well done.

I concur with the others the Vitrix Hoplite plastics are a homerun not a miss. As Dogged stated the range is complete and versatile. Now would I like to seem then do Persians and/or Macedonians in plastic? Oh you bet. Yes I know that War Games Factory have plastic Persians and they are OK, I just know that Vitrix will do it better.

But the hoplites are kinda a one off. they can fight each other. but that's it.

Not true. Mine are going to fight cyclops, harpies, minotaurs, reanimated skeletons, hydras and much much more. :)

In the forty plus years I've been wargaming, Greek hoplites have been a staple of ancient ranges. They are basic archetypes.

Sure, they mostly fought each other. But they did that for four hundred years.

Hoplites have lots of opponents. In addition to those above, they can fight Carthaginians, Thracians, lots of asiatics (in the retreat of the 10,000), the early successors and in the fall of Assyria. However, they differ in looks/equipment over the period. They "generally" become lighter as the period progresses.

Ok ok I was wrong.

While I only think the mercenary and unarmord hoplites are much good outside of greece. the archers, peltasts, javlin and slingers can be used by most armies of the time

And it would be nice for Victrix to get out some cavalry for their ranges as well. I'd like to see what they do with them.

Setting the scene for the Rise of Rome (and the arrival of Victrix Carthaginians).

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Yep a generic Greek-Cassical cavalry set would be most welcome, although its economical viability could be doubtful at best. BUT Macedonians and Greek-Italic peoples would make much use of it: Companions and Tarantines (medium and light cavalry, with or without armour and/or shields) could be made from a single, multipart sprue. A horse with a cloth would be enough, as such cloth and straps could be easily filed out…

Agree, unarmoured hoplites, peltasts and skirmishers are useful for every army (specially with surplus thureos like shields, as they could work everywhere; also with caetra-like shields they definitely work everywhere); armoured hoplites can work as Greek, Macedonians, Phoenicians and Italic peoples (and again, with thureos, they work for longer periods also)

I'd like to know if Victrix will make Samnite shields for the converting their Allied Italians into Quite Hostile Italians. Maybe as part of some other sprue

If someone from Victrix is listening, there are some good questions for him in this thread