"10mm Mongol adversaries" Topic

I am considering starting a small force of 10mm Mongols to use in games of Hail Caesar. But I am not sure what to use as an opposing force for them. Can anyone recommend any good 10mm miniatures that would work as opponents for Mongols? Especially if there is a Hail Caesar army list for them, so I have a place to start when organizing the army.

Chinese, Armenian Christians, Arabs, Rus,

Mongols fought Mongols quite a lot. There's also Koreans, Japanese, Hungarians, Cumans, Persians, Poles, Silesians, Teutonic Knights etc Basically anyone whose lands bordered on theirs.
I have the Kallistra Mongols-absolutely beautiful figures. I understand that the Pendraken figures are also nice, but they are probably a bit smaller than the Kallistra figures. Kallistra ranges include Teutonic Knights, Koreans, Chinese and Samurai. I think some of the figures in their Ottomans and Eastern Europeans might just about fit as opponents as well.
Pendraken do an Arab range, but I think Kallistra probably offer more in the way of suitable opponents.

Thank you, stamingdave. Kallistra does appear to have a nice range of options there, though they aren't really 10mm. The bigger size means I don't have the option of mixing in any other ranges for any variety. Also, with 10mm I could probably get at least 6-8 cavalry or 12-16 infantry one one of those 40mm by 20mm bases, instead of 4 cavalry and 8 infantry, so I wouldn't get as good of a massed look as with 10mm.

Why do you want to cram more than 4 cavalry figures to a Warmaster base? I have mine on DBA sized bases (40x30mm) and find that three heavy cavalry or two lights look spot on.I would post pics but the system on TMP is beyond me! I have also seen some Impetus size bases with half a dozen figures and they look pretty good. I think the big problem if you decide on another range is finding the opponents. TB Line do 10 mm Mongols and Arabs, might be worth looking at, although the horses look a bit "sway backed" to me.
Although Kallistra are reckoned to be nearer 12mm, I think it is interesting thatthe new ranges from Pendraken ( such as the League of Augsburg) are similar in size ; clearly the extra 2mm gives a lot more scope for the sculptor.

Actually, I guess 4 cavalry on a 40mm by 20mm is fine. Even with 10mm, that's probably about all that would fit, or maybe get a fifth. I think I must have been picturing 50mm by 25mm, which holds 6 of the 10mm cavalry I use for my ACW army.

For infantry, however, it does seem to make a difference. Fitting 12 10mm infantry on a 40mm by 20mm base should be no problem, possibly more depending on how bulky the sculpts are (I get 16 GHQ on that size base), versus only 8 of the Kallistra. But the loss of quantity is probably worth it in order to have such a range of choice in armies. Especially if the miniatures are pretty detailed. It's hard to tell from some of the small pictures on their website.

I would post pics but the system on TMP is beyond me!

If your photos are already online somewhere, right click on the image. There should be a choice to copy image URL. Click that and then paste the image URL here. Usually works for me.

Vtsaogames- thanks for the advice, but all my pics are stored on private hard drives. I don't have any problem uploading them to Yahoo, EBay etc but TMP system of needing rules for pics scuppers me. I suppose I could put them into my One Drive account and see what happens.

Albino squirrel- infantry in Mongol armies are not that significant, unless you are recreating sieges. Putting 16 figures on a 4x2 cm base is really pushing it! I have League of Augsburg and WSS armies, based on 6 x 3cm bases. Absolute max I can get on these bases is 20 (using Pendraken figures) and that is pushing it. I usually go for 16's and they look pretty solid. Some of my Warmaster bases, using Kallistra figures, have 10 infantry figures, and that is 'wall to wall'.

I will try to post pics, using the advice above.

I've put some pics on the Google Drive, hope links work.

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Whoops, looks as if you get different results according to whether you copy and paste web address or use the "copy web location function". At least you can see how thay look using the different basing sizes and spacing. The Mongols are on DBA bases, the Serbs and peasants are on standard Warmaster bases. I think the massed Serbian cavalry look fine.
Figures still need to be matt varnished, so look a bit shiny.

I can only see the last three pictures. If I click on the other links, it says I don't have access to the album. The cavalry looks pretty good, but I'd still be interested in seeing your infantry. Thank you again for all the information and pictures.

There are pictures of infantry on there, but obviously I need to either reset permissions or use the " copy web location function" so they appear directly on the post.

Hi Craig,

Just got your request to share album, so have authorised that. Have some more pics to post when I have time to get on my PC. Most of the figures on the album are Kallistra. The Wars of the Roses infantry are Pendraken, as are the League of Augsburg infantry that I am going to add later.

OK, added some more:

these are Kallistra Romano-British on DBA 40mmx 15mm bases

Serbia medieval infantry on Warmaster bases (40 x 20mm 8 figures to base)

Pendraken medieval crossbow on Warmaster bases-only 6 figures to a base

Pendraken WSS 16 figures to a 60mm x 30mm base

Pendraken League of Augsburg infantry-crammed in 20 to the 60mm x 30mm base. his is absolute max for tghis size base. 16 figures is comfortbale. I sometimes use only 12, as number of figures reflects unit strength for rules I use for this period.

another shot of Serbian infantry. I think spacing is realistic-you need space to swing an axe, mace or sword!

Thank you, those look good. I will definitely go with Kallistra figures when I start this project now that I've seen some better pictures of how they look. I appreciate the assistance.

Glad to help. I see you are thinking about Hail Caesar rules. Not familiar with them; why did you go for these rules?

Well, I use Black Powder with my 10mm American Civil War miniatures. You can see my blog posts about Black Powder and my ACW armies here: link

Hail Caesar shares a lot of mechanisms with Black Powder, so I will probably like it. I like the command and control aspect of the Black Powder rules. You issue orders and then roll for how successfully they are carried out, so you can move between zero and three times in a turn. So you are never sure exactly what your units or your opponents units will be able to accomplish in a turn.

May have to look at the rules. My club haven't really settled on Rules for Ancients/Medieval. We are using "A Coat of Steel" for Wars of the Roses., Dux Bellorum for Dark Ages (which may be adaptable for the Mongol era) and those playing Ancients mainly use "Field of Glory", with other odd rules experimented with.
Nicely painted Confederates, are they on 30 mm frontages? The GHQ figures are neat.

Thank you. My American Civil War stuff is on 3/4" bases, so roughly 20mm frontage per base, with five bases to each infantry regiment. I like the GHQ figures. They are much thinner and better proportioned than other 10mm ranges, so I can really get the look of a shoulder-to-shoulder firing line. They are actually N-Scale, so they are a bit smaller and a lot skinnier than most 10mm ranges.