Sho Boki | 31 Aug 2014 8:39 a.m. PST |
Many ask for 15(18)mm Russian ADC and lower command set. So I start to sculpt them. How many of you want this set and what figures must be there? Preliminary I suppose, that 6-figure set may contain.. 2 ADC 2 nameless generals for brigade and division level 2 colonels(polkovnik) or majors with shako. What suggestions you have? |
Broglie | 31 Aug 2014 8:52 a.m. PST |
Staff officers using telescopes. Staff officer seated at a table with maps. ADCs on foot handing dispatches ADCs on horse handing dispatches. Kutusov at Borodino. Just some suggestions. Regards |
Sho Boki | 31 Aug 2014 9:01 a.m. PST |
Kutuzov at Borodino are ready and unmounted staff comes separately. Here are question only about mounted figs. |
paulalba | 31 Aug 2014 11:11 a.m. PST |
Hi Sho, Looking for mounted really. 6 figures sounds great. Various uniform styles. The mounted adjutant figure with flat cap in osprey for Russian infantry with cords on right shoulder. Possibly a guard mounted colonel if the guard plate and plume would be present. And basically the figures you mentioned. Possibly a chap holding a telescope (doesn't need to be looking through it) and possibly 1 with map case or passing on a message? Similar to the French command AB created? For myself a couple maybe conversion possibilities to Prussians so overcoat and flat cap would be welcome. I'll commit to 4 sets of 6 up front Sho. Exciting times!!! |
Lion in the Stars | 31 Aug 2014 11:30 a.m. PST |
Maybe an alternate head sprue, with a variety of hats? This may allow for stretching the set to more than just the Russians. |
Widowson | 31 Aug 2014 11:47 a.m. PST |
Having just read "War and Peace," I get the impression that no respectable high officer ever went anywhere without a cossack. So I'd include a couple of these, in non-fighting poses. Guard cossacks for the the Sovereign. Also for the Sovereign, at least one useless prince (staff member) in a fancy uniform. |
von Winterfeldt | 31 Aug 2014 1:14 p.m. PST |
Sho – your basic idea is best so far, no need to ask any longer, sculpt |
Redcurrant | 31 Aug 2014 3:50 p.m. PST |
Agree that your first idea was the best. Steve J |
Sho Boki | 01 Sep 2014 3:12 a.m. PST |
There already are Dohturov in next generals set, who holding a telescope. And Saint Priest, who wear flat cap and, as chief of staff, are ADC. I have serious doubt about Ospreys chap, wearing aiguilette on overcoat. It may be not wrong, but I don't seen any evidence of that yet. Most of my personalised generals may be used as any other general at Borodino, except Ostermann-Tolstoi and Bennigsen, who have unique distinctions. Lesser generals may only have less orden stars. Also I already have one fat monted colonel in two variants and AB offer another one. So I have option to sculpt only one additional colonel with shako and instead of the other one I may do hussar courier, carrying message. 2 ADC with aiguilettes I plan to do with full uniforms as companions of generals, doing nothing. And one division/brigade general may be changed to universal officer with flat cap and half-closed great overcoat. |
baxterj | 01 Sep 2014 4:16 a.m. PST |
Hi Sho, happy with anything that you do. I do really like the Cossack officers x 2 idea. The only AB cossack officer is based on Pahlen (I think) which is a bit limited to use over and over again. John |
paulalba | 01 Sep 2014 4:50 a.m. PST |
Sho, all your figures sound very useful. I will be happy with whatever you sculpt. Cossack officer sounds interesting as does the hussar courier. |
Sho Boki | 01 Sep 2014 5:08 a.m. PST |
The companion Cossack with high officer was not officer by himself. He was a poor servant. And I am not sure, that irregular chaps must be part of high officers set. |
Clays Russians | 01 Sep 2014 6:10 a.m. PST |
I don't care, I want them anyway. |
von Winterfeldt | 01 Sep 2014 7:17 a.m. PST |
I agree Sho you did already a lot of usefull mounted Russian officers for 1812 and later – continue with your project as planned – I am looking forward for your second set of Russian generals |
Sho Boki | 01 Sep 2014 8:53 a.m. PST |
One spincast mould can fit 2-3 sets. So I anyway will sculpt at least one set beside generals. Some people ask for infantry in greatcoats too.. I spend now couple of days to finish 6mm mastermoulds and to casting more generals and infantry.. and then continue with sculpting. |
Lion in the Stars | 01 Sep 2014 10:48 a.m. PST |
I like the attending Cossack and messenger Hussar ideas! |
von Winterfeldt | 01 Sep 2014 2:21 p.m. PST |
Sho your basic idea was excellent, just do first what is missing – just like the Russian infantry with the shako which most of the units did wear, all Russian buffs realy need those, the same for the generals, a cracking idea. |
julianmizzi | 04 Sep 2014 5:36 p.m. PST |
Such a great Idea – looking forward to what is produced . |
Sho Boki | 07 Sep 2014 5:37 a.m. PST |
Have one question.. if people want russian infantry in greatcoats.. they mainly imagine winter 1812 or just some cool or wet day? |
von Winterfeldt | 07 Sep 2014 6:41 a.m. PST |
most likley a cool and wet day, so that you can use them for 1809 – 1815 |
julianmizzi | 08 Sep 2014 9:54 p.m. PST |
Sho – Any chance of provisioning Tsar Alexander I ? one mounted and one on foot ? |
Sho Boki | 09 Sep 2014 2:38 a.m. PST |
Everything is possible if enough people want this. But I see no reasons for now.. Alexander don't take part on Borodino. Von Winterfeldt, but shako covers and forage caps are required? Or all must be with full shakos? |
Sho Boki | 09 Sep 2014 3:22 a.m. PST |
Little teaser for greatcoat fans..
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von Winterfeldt | 09 Sep 2014 4:17 a.m. PST |
Why forage caps?? You wouldn't usually wear one when in uniform dress or greatcoat, it was only worn when being dressed for fatigues along with the waistcoat or in case no other headress was available. Even more interesting for the 1812 campaign would be Russian infantry in conscript dress from Viskovatov translated my Conrad "Before 23 May 1808 recruits were accepted from their landowner donors wearing normal peasant caftan tunics [kaftany], breeches of coarse peasant cloth [sermyazhnye shtany], and peasant shoes [chiriki] or boots [upaki] (131). [Although the word "recruit" was used, men for the army were not voluntarily recruited, but compulsorily conscripted M.C.] 23 May 1808 So that recruits would have clothing suitable for service at the very start of their acceptance into the army, it was ordered that there be made for them gray cloth caftans or tailcoats [kaftany ili mundiry] of soldier pattern with covered buttons; pants and forage caps of plain peasant cloth; black neckcloths; peasant boots either smeared with clean tar [chistym degtem vymazannye] or made with the hair side of the leather on the outside [lichnye sapogi]; gray cloth pouches to substitute for knapsacks and hold any baggage. (Illus. 1843); and peasant shirts and winter coats [shuby] as before. Of these items the caftan coat, pants, neckcloth, and so-called knapsacks were made by the government and charged to the recruits' donors, while the rest, as well as underclothing and winter and summer foot cloths [podvertki] were provided by the donors in kind (132). 28 July 1809 It was emphasized that recruits were to be received from their donors with new winter coats [shuby] without exception, and not half-coats [polushubki] (133). 27 June 1812 The forage caps with hanging tassel prescribed for recruits was replaced by low caps without tassels, of the pattern used as this time in the Army (Illus. 1844) (134). 8 July 1812 The cloth, linen, and other items stipulated for recruit clothing were ordered to be given by the donors in kind (135). Out of 1700 Russian killed at Malojaroslawiest 1100 did wear the grey recruit dress (most likley still with tassled forage caps)
On a trouv้ sur le champ de bataille dix-sept cents Russes, parmi lesquels onze cents recrues habill้es de vestes grises, ayant เ peine deux mois de service. Greatcoat figures exsit a lot, though hardly anybody takes the effort like to you sculpt the shape with the folds but Russians in grey recruit uniform as far as I am aware of none. |
Sho Boki | 09 Sep 2014 2:51 p.m. PST |
Actually there are no recruits from any nation sculpted, as I know.. But russian recruits practically have regular uniforms, only grey. And are without shakos. They are allowed to wear civil long overcoats in winter, before they get army ones. So regular troops in forage caps in summer and opolchenie in winter cover the subject. And another teaser..
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paulalba | 09 Sep 2014 3:21 p.m. PST |
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von Winterfeldt | 10 Sep 2014 2:52 a.m. PST |
I was under the impression that the summercoat was just a kind of grey waistcoat without any coat tails. |
Sho Boki | 10 Sep 2014 4:54 a.m. PST |
Russian recruit 1808-1812
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von Winterfeldt | 10 Sep 2014 7:53 a.m. PST |
Thanks Sho Viskovatov plates show it differently (wiastocat only) and in my view there should be also recruits still with the old "forage" cap as the French had before the Bardin regulations. I wonder how many wargamer has such grey Russians in their battalions? |
Sho Boki | 10 Sep 2014 10:52 a.m. PST |
Yes, russians even selling figures of recruits with french style forage caps..
Rounded caps comes to use in 1812. |
Sho Boki | 13 Sep 2014 1:35 p.m. PST |
Last teaser.. soldiers from first set are right, for compare.
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paulalba | 14 Sep 2014 5:07 a.m. PST |
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von Winterfeldt | 15 Sep 2014 12:00 a.m. PST |
the details are very criso – but beware of narrow shoulders, the figure at the left of the phot seems to have hardly any shoulder width at all. |
Sho Boki | 15 Sep 2014 5:11 a.m. PST |
You are absolutely right! Thank you! You all, who watch my sculpting process, please always tell me, if there are something wrong. I do many things simultaneously and may not to see the obvious mistakes.. |
Sho Boki | 14 Dec 2014 7:54 p.m. PST |
I try together with every Generals set sculpt some troopers set too. So in companion to ADC set will be this troopers..
For now on all 15(18)mm sets will be 1:100. No more scale creep.. |
paulalba | 16 Dec 2014 11:33 a.m. PST |
Good man and much needed troops! |
von Winterfeldt | 16 Dec 2014 1:49 p.m. PST |
not that much needed – whats with mounted Austrian officers of 1792? Russian generals of 1799 Russian Army of 1799 |
paulalba | 17 Dec 2014 3:10 a.m. PST |
Russian guard Cossacks not that much needed? I'd love to have them in my collection Von I do know the others are very much needed to for many peoples collects. |
von Winterfeldt | 17 Dec 2014 5:34 a.m. PST |
So Russian Guard cossacks using conventional horses and conventional saddles? I am suprised, in case this is a Guard Cossack about the huge amount of folds of the overals which seem to be creating such an array of deep folds from cotton?? Or of special cut? |
paulalba | 17 Dec 2014 5:55 a.m. PST |
Is it not a guard Cossacks Sho? |
Sho Boki | 17 Dec 2014 10:11 a.m. PST |
It will be, when I finish. Guard cossacks was big men on normal (cavalry) sized Orlov or arabian horses. Folds may be overkill at moment.. yes.. I wanted to see, how they will looks like. With this trooper I try a new concept of sculpting-moulding disain I thinking out. I have question too the way of wearing gloves by cossacks. You guys prefer gloves under or over cuffs? |
paulalba | 17 Dec 2014 10:53 a.m. PST |
With the gloves Sho all looks good from the many pictures around. Gloves over under or no gloves at all. Whatever would be more appropriate for campaign. With the folds I had thought there were a lot too but again in many illustrations there look to be plenty. Good luck with these, how many different figures do you plan to do? |
von Winterfeldt | 17 Dec 2014 1:12 p.m. PST |
gloves – as the Guard cossacks did wear them in the Napoleonic time – I have no idea. |
Sho Boki | 17 Dec 2014 1:50 p.m. PST |
Well.. with gloves over the cuffs it will be easier to sculpt. How many different figures? Officer and trooper(s), I think. Like with Towarczyc. With Towarczyc I already tried my concept to use the same figure for different purposes.. attacking and standing. Now, with spincasting technology and accumulated knowledge, I go further.. |
paulalba | 17 Dec 2014 2:07 p.m. PST |
All sounds good, did they not have trumpeters? A great reason to pick up Dr stephen summerfields book on the guard Cossacks! |
von Winterfeldt | 17 Dec 2014 2:09 p.m. PST |
Steve Smith on Napoleon-series.org just downloaded several interesting paintings, seemingly also cossacks of the Guard About amount of figures, it would matter if you plan to do them only as escort or as full regiment
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Sho Boki | 17 Dec 2014 2:36 p.m. PST |
They have trumpeters, Paul. But I don't like trumpeters.. so I will sculpt these after all others, if I must. On picture they wear gloves over the cuffs.. with gloves there are better to cover different ways of carrying lance. But they are not in full parade.. no plumes and cords. |
von Winterfeldt | 17 Dec 2014 2:40 p.m. PST |
what is a cavalry regiment without trumpeters? They are needed, next you could make a cuirassier regiment with a kettle drummer (hardly seen in the small figure world as well) Actually you could do a trumpeter with the trumpet hanging over the shoulder, that would look cool. |
Sho Boki | 17 Dec 2014 2:56 p.m. PST |
Yes, trumpet over the shoulder works better for me. About the picture again – folds on trousers are very similar to these what I sculpted.. ;) |
Sho Boki | 17 Dec 2014 8:18 p.m. PST |
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