joe serge | 27 Aug 2014 9:24 a.m. PST |
gents , Where there any units refusing to surender besides the imperial guard? greeting joe serge |
Col Blancard | 27 Aug 2014 9:28 a.m. PST |
I can think of Ney's Corps (or what was left of it) at the battle of Krasnoie see link |
John the OFM | 27 Aug 2014 9:33 a.m. PST |
I don't think any British units surrendered at Waterloo either. |
joe serge | 27 Aug 2014 9:54 a.m. PST |
Maybe one in spain? greetings joe serge |
xxxxxxx | 27 Aug 2014 10:06 a.m. PST |
There are quite few examples. Off the top of my head …. The colonel-major Lépic and the grenadiers à cheval at Eylau : "Regardez-moi ces gueules-là si elles veulent se rendre." Translation : Look at those mugs there for me, and see if they might surrender." Let's see if the bleep-o-machine knows French army cursing of the early 19th century …. I am guessing "non" … "gueules" comes from a expression for (red) lips or faces and might be politely translated as "mugs", a more idiomatic translation for modern readers would be "c**ts", with allusion to nether lips. The colonel-major was in rare form that day. Earlier he had ordered : "Haut les têtes, la mitraille c'est pas de la merde!" "[Keep your] heads up, grapeshot is not made of !" The meagre garrison and citizens of Zaragoza …. twice! The Russian garrison of Bobruisk (a small force of replacement battalions and the Prince Bagration's invalids) which held out deep in the French rear for the whole campaign of 1812. Neverovskiy's division, surrounded for over 2 days by all the French reserve cavalry and an infantry corps during the retreat to Smolensk. The French and Italian grenadiers at the convent of Saint Elizabeth surrounded and attacked several times by the Russians during the battle of Maloyaroslavets. Many small actions …. such as the handful French gendarmes that held a little blockhouse fort in Catalonia for several months – and to the last man. There is also a long list of successful defenses in sieges …. but unless the defenders were woefully small in number and/or training, their defense probably should not be considered a notably refusal to surrender. But some – such as Cadíz and Hamburg under Davout might be remembered for specially obstinate resistance. - Sasha |
M C MonkeyDew | 27 Aug 2014 10:25 a.m. PST |
Pretty sure the guard did surrender. .. link |
Murvihill | 27 Aug 2014 10:30 a.m. PST |
Davout's corps in Hamburg refused to surrender until he was brought proof that Napoleon was deposed. |
vtsaogames | 27 Aug 2014 10:32 a.m. PST |
Yes, the Old Guard square ended up dead, prisoner or ran off. And Cambronne ended up a prisoner "Cambronne surrenders, he does not die". Actual fighting to the last man is rarer than hen's teeth, unless the winners aren't taking prisoners. |
Altefritz | 27 Aug 2014 12:25 p.m. PST |
The National Guards at Fere-Champenoise, 1814. |
surdu2005 | 28 Aug 2014 4:15 a.m. PST |
Does anyone have information about fighting around Hamburg? I find it interesting, but there is very little information available it seems. I would guess there were a few small Beatles in the area, but I cannot find any details. |
dibble | 28 Aug 2014 7:58 a.m. PST |
Does anyone have information about fighting around Hamburg? I find it interesting, but there is very little information available it seems. I would guess there were a few small Beatles in the area, but I cannot find any details. I think there were four in that area in the early 1960's, but I don't think they were small, in fact they were about average size. link Paul :) |
Hampshire Hog | 28 Aug 2014 8:06 a.m. PST |
Pretty sure the Beatles didn't visit Hamburg 'till the 1960's :) Beat me to it Paul! |
Murvihill | 28 Aug 2014 10:06 a.m. PST |
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joe serge | 03 Sep 2014 12:01 p.m. PST |
Ja, het plein Oude Garde eindigde dood, gevangen of rende weg. En Cambronne belandde een gevangene "Cambronne overgeeft, dat hij niet sterven". Werkelijke vechten tot de laatste man is zeldzamer dan de kip ?? so I am not the only one who makes mistakes tanden, tenzij de winnaars niet nemen gevangenen greetings joe serge. |
tuscaloosa | 03 Sep 2014 4:08 p.m. PST |
"The meagre garrison and citizens of Zaragoza …. twice!" They held out the first time, surrendered the second time. |
Brechtel198 | 03 Sep 2014 6:08 p.m. PST |
The 84th Ligne at Graz in 1809 fought and survived until relieved at odds of ten to one, winning the battle honor 'Un Contra Dix.' The British held out at Hougoumont all day at Waterloo. Pelet's two Old Guard battalions at Plancenoit broke out, escaping the collapse and saving their eagle. The outnumbered Grande Armee fighting off the Austrians at Essling in 1809 and then withdrawing unmolested to Lobau Island. The French fighting their way out of a trap at the Berezina in November 1812. The French garrison of Magdeburg in 1814 held out until the first abdication. The French garrison of Antwerp holding out until the first abdication in 1814. B |
Royal Marine | 04 Sep 2014 8:10 a.m. PST |
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Lilian | 04 Sep 2014 8:44 a.m. PST |
Units of the French Army in Catalonia in 1814, they evacuated Spain 2 months after the Armistice, one month after Napoléon was exiled to Elba and Louis XVIII received in Paris as king of France…many others French garrisons in 1814 and the same in 1815, if I remember last fightings agaisnt Napoléonic garrisons lasted until SEPTEMBER 1815, also 2 months after the armistice |
joe serge | 04 Sep 2014 9:42 a.m. PST |
You remember French legionaires at camarone o.k. gents other era sorry joe serge |
xxxxxxx | 04 Sep 2014 10:33 a.m. PST |
tuscaloosa, I thought they were more slaughtered than surrendered the second time. Yes? No? (I am not sure.) - Sasha |
mashrewba | 04 Sep 2014 10:39 a.m. PST |
If we're talking numbers of Beatles in Hamburg in fact there were five -you mustn't forget Stu!!! |
joe serge | 04 Sep 2014 10:40 a.m. PST |
Dear Sasha the second time there was only a few men I think about 5? and an officer greetings joe serge |
MarescialloDiCampo | 04 Sep 2014 10:47 a.m. PST |
In 1815, the Neapolitan Garrison refused to surrender until the Commander (General Begani)'s terms were met. They only held out from May until August 1815… Against the Austrians, British, and Naples Bourbons. |
Lilian | 04 Sep 2014 6:24 p.m. PST |
the defenders of Zaragoza, like many others, were not slaughtered but sent to France, where some of them were free workers, profesors in some Imperial Lyceum etc… |