sjwalker38 | 25 Aug 2014 2:20 p.m. PST |
How much effect did either have on warriors going into battle? Where's the evidence/information to be found? Quite a lot of historical and contemporary evidence for other fanatical types out of their heads on hashish, bhang and other narcotics but what about the Zulus? |
ochoin | 25 Aug 2014 2:59 p.m. PST |
They carried little gourds into battle with them though whether it was filled with tobacco or something stronger, I'm not sure. |
ZULUPAUL | 25 Aug 2014 4:09 p.m. PST |
The pouches were for tobacco AFAIK, they often carried "spoons" in their hair to use it like snuff. |
Sobieski | 25 Aug 2014 4:18 p.m. PST |
I remember a reference in C. J. Langenhoven to hashish use; whether it's trustworthy is another issue (1st person Boer narrator). I'm interested that there's any evidence for soldiers on pot. Who? |
Mkultra99 | 25 Aug 2014 5:08 p.m. PST |
I dunno.. I can't imagine doing any serious fighting with a head full of hash or bhang.. serious snacking, possibly. One would think that stimulants would be more conducive to extreme combat. |
Balin Shortstuff | 25 Aug 2014 5:10 p.m. PST |
The subject comes up on Secrets Of The Dead – The Mystery Of Zulu Dawn . Start at 29:00 link A place to start looking |
saltflats1929 | 25 Aug 2014 7:20 p.m. PST |
-1 to hit but plus +1 to morale. |
Sobieski | 26 Aug 2014 5:25 a.m. PST |
Hmmm. You need modifiers for pot-shots, too. And in ancient assaults on fortifications, being stoned wouldn't be the same. Terrain normally classed as good going would be different if grassed. |
IronDuke596 | 26 Aug 2014 6:31 a.m. PST |
Yes, the Secrets of the Dead documentary covered the use of local plant narcotics quite well. Also, they validate a different scenario of the battle by tracing where cartridge casings fell. |
Johny Boy | 29 Aug 2014 3:06 a.m. PST |
Remember watching a programe on youtube, looking at possible reasons for the British defeat at Isandwhana, presented by Ian Knight. A very good programe (sorry I'm using phone to do this so cannot add link, however should come up on a search on Youtube). One of the main findings was a frequent description of battle frenzy in Zulu accounts. This was attributed in the programe to the warriors using "Kat" or some similar substance prior to combat. The programe did tests showing a substantial increase in aggression and an almost complete disregard to injury, both crucial factors in hand to hand combat. Will see if I can add a link later.cheers |
Johny Boy | 29 Aug 2014 3:11 a.m. PST |
Sorry my mistake, it was secrets of the dead :-0, however an excellent insight into the battle. |