"french soldiers unwiling to fight any more!" Topic

Guys,
I Would like some info , Organized in batalions? What happend being shot? greetings joe serge

gentlemen ,
Some how i posted 3 times the same topic do not ask me why this happend greeting joe serge

We would miss you, if you left this forum. We need something like this to lighten the day.

I thought this was going to be something about the idea that the French soldier forgot how to fight after the Treaty of Versailles. Tell that to 2e Div Blindee, Koenig's men in the desert, or the folk at Dien Bien Phu…it is usually their government that has repeatedly betrayed them. "Nous sommes trahis" was the cry at Waterloo and, ever since, they usually have been right in that.

This is all somewhat unusual.

Joe may be asking about how artillery and small arms fire affected the order and the morale of formed battalions – how they managed – by closing ranks, and maintaining their morale levels?

He may. But it turns out he is asking if they had the equivalent of penal battalions for deserters, draft dodgers, or those unwilling to fight for reasons of conscience (not much point there of course!).

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Insulting of people should be your users name This answer .deadhead 25 augustus 2014 12:06 PST

We zouden je missen, als u dit forum verlaten. We moeten iets als dit om de dag te verlichten.

Ik dacht dat dit zou gaan om iets over het idee dat de Franse soldaat vergat hoe om te vechten na het Verdrag van Versailles zijn. Vertel dat aan de 2e Div Blindée, Koenig's mannen in de woestijn, of de folk bij Dien Bien Phu … is het meestal hun regering dat ze herhaaldelijk heeft verraden. "Nous sommes trahis" was de kreet bij Waterloo, en sindsdien zijn ze meestal gelijk in dat zijn geweest.

You needed a lot of help from other people b.t w. never said to be without any faults but you are right? greeting joe serge

Gents, I just wanted to say some soldiers had enough fighting for napoleon greeting joe serge

I'm not sure about evidence of French troops deserting or surrendering because they didn't want to fight anymore. It may exist, but I'm not aware of it. I am very aware, however, of evidence that potential draftees avoided service entirely where they could, and that the proportion of potential recruits who avoided service increased over time, to the point that regular troops had to be detailed to round them up.

Here's a thread about just this subject:
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Dear Joe,
Ik denk dat tegen het einde van de periode van het moreel van het Frans kan zijn verminderd. Als dat niet zo ervaren als eerder. Veel mannen in de zuidelijke Franch afdelingen bijvoorbeeld niet reageren op oproepen om mee de Nationale Garde in 1814, en als ik me goed herinner, waren sommige cohorten / units gecombineerd. Maar aan de andere kant, ik ben zeker dat velen zullen zeggen dat de nieuwe Franse rekruten op lijn en zelfs tot tijdelijke opdrachten van 1813-1814 goed gevochten.
In de campagnes van 1806-1807 waren er veel Franse verliezen, maar ik geloof dat Napoleon in geslaagd om de bondgenoten te verslaan (eindelijk bij Friedland) voordat het moreel een ernstig effect op zijn troepen had.
Ik hoop dat dit google vertaling zal werken.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Mike

dear mihaelcollins himself you hit the spot judt wanted ot know if there were some unwiling units do not being cowards greetings joe serg

joe serg, how you could in any way feel I was insulting you is beyond me.

The title suggested French soldiers do not wish to fight any more, but I did clarify that was not the context. I pointed out examples of great French military courage since 1918.

All I then did was refer the reader to the thread where you did finally manage to express coherently your question and get a response.

There are more important things in life……..I, personally, think there is much more to you than meets the eye, but have often said how I welcome your messages. Peace man…..

o, k I understand the line of question i ask sory about that! greetings joe serg

Soldiers unwilling to fight anymore would simply try to desert, the French army had a huge problem with that, in 1813 even a lot of young guardsmen would desert, in principle they risked a dead penalty but in practice Napoleon could not afford to shoot all the deserters so they were incarcerated and formed in penal batallions ( Like the regiment de walcheren etc or the battalion des refractaires) In the book by Van Bakel "Vlaamse soldatenbrieven uit de Napoleontische tijd" -Nijmegen 1976 you find a whole collection of letters from deserters who wrote home from prison, in 1813 (the need for manpower however unwilling was great) most only stayed looked up only for a couple of months. Quitye few soldiers letters mention some kind of genral pardon in the summer of 1813 whereby imprisonned soldiers where released ans sent back to their units with further penalties.

Gents , About the two comments getting is stil getting normal in this forum thanks the lord greetings joe serge

Dear Dead head You gave me the impression just leave this forum go bother some one else greetings joe serge

Sorry if any unintended insult. Translation can do strange things. In this topic I have said how we would miss you if you left this forum.

I had misunderstood your question. A serious suggestion though. Could you now get some advice on the title before submitting? If it was clearer what you were asking, there is great expertise here to help us all. If I was trying to pose a question in Dutch, even with Google, Lord knows what would result. In exchanges with Niels R I have always employed my German junior trainee to convert into decent German. She'll get a better assessment at the end of her attachment, in exchange!

No, bother us some more……….the results can be fun.

Yes.Google translation is not 100% greetings joe serg

Joe I should be able to come back to this topic with an answer for you as I know someone who has done much research into this topic area (attrition – including desertion, losses, prisoners etc).