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Tango0121 Aug 2014 9:58 p.m. PST

…in Kamchatka.

"Russia's new nuclear submarine Alexander Nevsky will arrive at its base in Kamchatka before the end of the year to begin combat training, Eastern Military District Commander, Colonel-General Sergei Surovikin said on Thursday.

Surovikin is inspecting the construction of infrastructure facilities for the fourth-generation submarines in Vilyuchinsk, Kamchatka.

"The commander inspected the construction of the pier, including mooring areas and support facilities, to ensure that work was proceeding according to the schedule approved by the ministry of defense," Eastern Military District spokesperson Alexander Gordeyev told ITAR-TASS…"
Full article here
en.itar-tass.com/russia/746113

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Lion in the Stars22 Aug 2014 10:12 a.m. PST

Hrm, new Borei-class boat.

The Alexander Nevsky is the first serial strategic rocket carrier of the Borei class. It is 170 metres long, 13.5 metres wide, maximum operating depth is 450 metres, underwater speed is 29 knots, and a crew of 17 sailors.

17 sailors on a sub roughly the same size as an Ohio? How the heck is that going to work? Assuming 3 watch-sections, that's a total of 6 people on watch at any given time, and I cannot imagine that for a strategic platform.

Wikipedia says crew of 107, which still shows a LOT of automation. An Ohio-class has a nominal crew of 165, and we regularly went to sea with nearly 180 onboard.

What I find interesting is the high number of officers as opposed to enlisted. Wiki says 55 officers and 52 enlisted. The Ohios only have about 15 officers, about that many chief petty officers (aka middle management), and the rest are almost all petty officers (E4-E6, NCOs). We had very few E3-and-below onboard, because it usually took long enough to get through all the schools that most sailors had already passed the tests to become a petty officer! Are the Russians still running on that "idiot conscript" model where the officers hold all the technical knowledge?

Borei class submarines are designed to serve as the basis of Russia's strategic nuclear capabilities for the decades to come. They are designed by the St. Petersburg-based Naval Design Bureau Rubin. Each submarine can be armed with 12 ICBMs with MIRVs. They will also have an escape capsule for all crewmembers.

I like the escape capsule idea, but that's an awfully big boat to only have 12 birds.

And again, Wiki disagrees with the missile count, saying that the redesigned missile was enough smaller/lighter that the Borei-class was redesigned to carry 16 birds, and it appears that the second flight of the class may carry 20 birds.

Tango0122 Aug 2014 11:49 a.m. PST

Good thread my friend.

Amicalement
Armand

gameboards28 Aug 2014 11:21 a.m. PST

what a small crew!
is it me or is the normal complement of 17 kinda small for such a large sub?
must be highly automated?

LORDGHEE29 Aug 2014 11:59 a.m. PST

typo got to be typo

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