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D6 Junkie20 Aug 2014 4:28 p.m. PST

Hey Guys,
I'm looking for a set of rules that I can use with my
Wagames Factory Japanese figures.
What I would like in the rules:
a)3-4 figures per base
b)Leaders with a little character in the game, ie duels
c) Has to handle multi players. So best not to have card initiative.
d)50-75 figs per player, 4-6 players
So show me the way.

D6 Junkie20 Aug 2014 4:29 p.m. PST

OOps okay so I guess I want to find a fine set of rules.

Mr Canuck20 Aug 2014 4:37 p.m. PST

Only passing this on as I saw it in the Warlord newsletter this morning:

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DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2014 7:12 p.m. PST

A few reviews here

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One I enjoy

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One I havent tried

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Borathan20 Aug 2014 10:44 p.m. PST

depending upon what you want to do with it, Ronin might be a good option though that's 1/base there and smaller numbers…

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Aug 2014 11:15 p.m. PST

Taiko ticks all your boxes. FlagshipGames.com for more

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Aug 2014 2:05 a.m. PST

Do consider "Battles in the age of war" by Peter Pig.
These rules are written just for that period and are not an add on to another set. there are challenges, scenario creator and can be used with 10/15/25 mm . You will need a 6x 4 table . There is more info on the PP website.

all the best

martin

Carlos13th21 Aug 2014 7:06 a.m. PST

Killer Katanas I have heard good things about. Warlord just realsed something from Pike and Shottle which another poster mentioned.

Lion in the Stars21 Aug 2014 9:24 a.m. PST

Killer Katanas is worth buying just for the army weapons proportions info. Know which clan(s) were at a battle? Killer Katanas will tell you how many bows, how many teppo, how many spears, and this info changes depending on the year as clans rise and fall in power.

I also have Battles in the Age of War, which I like for the pre-battle rules.

Carlos13th21 Aug 2014 12:25 p.m. PST

Wish their was a PDF version of Killer Katanas for sale.

Jamesonsafari21 Aug 2014 2:23 p.m. PST

I will second "Battles in the Age of War" by Peter Pig.
Played it at Historicon back in 2008 when Martin was demoing it and I had a total blast, even though my team suffered a defeat of epic, and unprecedented proportions!
Been trying to talk my gang into ever since.

Caesar21 Aug 2014 6:47 p.m. PST

Taiko is fun if you like WAB type games. Killer Katanas has great information, although I never got excited enough about the rules to try them out.
In my opinion, Pike and Shotte is the lesser choice between it and Hail Caesar for samurai as Hail Caesar has a greater focus on close combat.

corporalpat22 Aug 2014 8:26 a.m. PST

You should be able to find some free ones here to try.

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GGouveia23 Aug 2014 9:42 p.m. PST

Ronin for skirmish and Battles in the Age of war by Peter Pig for big battles.

Lion in the Stars24 Aug 2014 12:03 p.m. PST

Oh, one important question for you, d6 Junkie: Which era of Samurai? This is important because the fighting styles dramatically changed between eras.

You have the really early Samurai, up to the Mongolian Invasions. Warfare at this point in time mostly focused on the Samurai as armored horse archers.

Then there's the early Warring States (Sengoku), which I extend back to just after the Mongolian Invasions (1275-1540s). Warfare here saw massed archery and the Samurai became lance-armed shock cavalry. The footsoldiers tended to be divided into bow-armed or spear-armed formations, each small group of 5-10 men lead by a samurai.

The late Warring States era is after the introduction of firearms in 1540s and running up to about 1640 or so (it took the Tokugawas a bit of time to quell the fighting at the start of the Edo period). Firearms here very quickly went from weapons owned by samurai to carried by massed units of ashigaru (literally "light feet", very light infantry that were usually peasants and expected to keep up with horses). The interesting point here is that the teppo units would usually have 3-5 firearms and 2-4 archers to provide covering fire while the guns reloaded. Late Warring States also saw Samurai archer or pure firearms units on foot.

Since you're using Wargames Factory minis, I assume that you're looking at the Late Sengoku.

It's been too long since I read through my copy of Battles in the Age of War, but I don't remember it being card-activation. Otherwise, BitAoW hits all your requirements. You will need to adjust measurements, though, as BitAoW was written for 15mm minis on 30mm square or 30x40mm bases. I'd think about a simple doubling of all measures, use 60mm square or 60x80mm bases.

Tango0114 Jun 2021 3:57 p.m. PST

COMMANDS & COLORS: SAMURAI BATTLES


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Shimazu14 Jun 2021 11:48 p.m. PST

"TEPPO" Battles in the Late Samurai Era", is written by a Professional within the Gaming Industry, Julian Glover, Soulspryte Studios, and WILL suit your requirements

In addition Teppo Miniatures have one of the Finest 28mm Warrior Monks Figure Ranges

Simon E Davies12 Mar 2023 3:15 a.m. PST

I find that DBR works very well, although I have added some significant modifications. The biggest change is that we allow groups to move in those poetic chinese formations, even when the bases are not in contact, let alone edge to edge. They can also move forwards while some bases are facing to the side. It sounds odd, but it plays well and produces 'samurai battles' as I understand them.

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