 Artilleryman  | 20 Aug 2014 2:31 p.m. PST |
With the appearance of the Perry figures a Bavarian army is a must. However, I have a question or two about schutzen. How many were there in each pre-1811 battalion and how many were armed with rifles? Then, when the Bavarians adopted the French organisation in 1811 with a separate 'light' company how many of them were armed with rifles? And I would like to know how this applied to both line and light battalions. The sources I have seem confused and contradictory. Does anyone have a definitive answer? |
| WeeWars | 20 Aug 2014 3:56 p.m. PST |
The Bavarian infantry c.1809 fought in the field with 1 grenadier company and 3 fusilier companies per battalion. The fusilier companies included schützen. The ratio was 5 grenadiers to 12 fusiliers to 3 schützen. |
| Dn Jackson | 20 Aug 2014 10:29 p.m. PST |
I believe that in the "French" organization phase the light company of light battalions were rifle armed while the rest of the battalion were musket armed. |
| Major Bloodnok | 21 Aug 2014 2:40 a.m. PST |
One source states that in 1810 the Bavarians went to the six company structure the schützen were stripped from their parent companies and were formed into the light company. |
| von Winterfeldt | 21 Aug 2014 7:09 a.m. PST |
a lot of interesting old threads are already on tmp TMP link TMP link TMP link Also "Ab dem 12.8.1808 sollte jedes Linieninfanterie-Regiment aus 2 Grenadier- und 6 Füsilierkompanien, die Leichten Infanteriebataillone aus 4 Kompanien bestehen. Die Feuerstärke einer Kompanie wurde jetzt auf 180 Mann festgesetzt." So a regiment of of 2 battalions 2 grenadiers and 6 Füsiliercompanes, – light infantry battalion – only 4 companies and for 1809 Den Bedarf an Plänklern sollte der Armeebefehl vom 9. März 1809 dadurch Rechnung tragen, als darin die Erhöhung der Schützen auf ein Fünftel der Kompaniestärke (d.h. 36 Schützen) durch Ergänzung mit befähigten Männern aus den Kompanien befohlen wurde. Deshalb wurde jedem Bataillon ein weiterer Unterlieutenant als zweiten Offizier und ein Hornist, sowie jeder Kompanie zwei Vizekorporäle für den Schützendienst zugewiesen. According to that – also the grenadiers must have had Schützen, as mentioned elsewhere not all had at this time the Stutzen or rifle. |
| von Winterfeldt | 21 Aug 2014 7:29 a.m. PST |
from 1811 onwards "Durch Armeebefehl vom 29.4.1811 trat eine komplett neue Organisation der Regiments- bzw. Bataillonsstrukturen ein. Die bestehenden 12 Linieninfanterie-Regimenter sollten nunmehr 2 Feldbataillone zu je 6 Kompanien (1 Grenadier-, 1 Schützen-, 4 Füsilierkompanien) " In case I remember correctly in the Schützen company of line infantry 80 were armed with the rifle and for the light infantry 40 |
| von Winterfeldt | 21 Aug 2014 8:20 a.m. PST |
to add on from the 36 Schützen in 1809 – only about 6 to 7 were armed with the rifle, I don't know what kind of fire arm the rest did carry, when they had 20 Schützen those carried a so called flinte – a rifled musket (I couldn't find any detailed information about that) – in 1811 then 80 Schützen of the line Schützen company did carry the rifle (which was a copy of the Austrian jäger rifle or stutzen) |
| IronDuke596 | 21 Aug 2014 9:25 a.m. PST |
Good info von Winterfeldt. Thanks for the taking the time to get the sources. |
| von Winterfeldt | 21 Aug 2014 9:44 a.m. PST |
to give a synopsis up to March 1809 20 Schützen per company with the ominous Scharfschützengewehr then 36 Schützen (a fifth with rifle / Stutzen) in 1811 a schützencompany, for the line 80 with rifles for the light battalion 40 wirh rifle the rest with muskets |
| Artilleryman | 21 Aug 2014 2:35 p.m. PST |
Gentlemen, thanks for all the information. I feel …. illuminated. |
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