| John the OFM | 18 Aug 2014 9:36 a.m. PST |
I suppose it would be far easier to trace the coats of arms if I knew what knights were in the White Company.
My friend wants me to paint some kniggets as a Free Company, and is not all that anal about "correct" coats of arms.
However I find it easier to NOT make them up, rather than filling various colored shields with lions rampant or stars. More fun that way. |
| John the OFM | 18 Aug 2014 9:47 a.m. PST |
I tried a fruitles hour Googling White Company Coats of Arms and all I got was Hawkwood and one or two dubious ones from the Wyeth illustrations for the Conan Doyle book.
TMP link I think I was going at it from the wrong direction. If I knew WHO were there, they should be far easier to look up. I did find references to Barbara Tuchman's Enguerrand de Coucy and Bertrand du Guescelin. VAGUE references to be sure, but it's a start and both would be fun to paint, one more tedious that the other.
Ideally I want an English commander with 5 SIMPLE TO PAINT coats of arms in his contingent, a French commander with 5 more, and Italian condottieri with 5 more etc.
Rinse and repeat.
None of this quartering nonsense either.  |
| Yesthatphil | 18 Aug 2014 9:52 a.m. PST |
In 1383 the Florentines engage John Berwick, John Beltoft, Johnny Swin, Johnny Butler, Ozzie Norton, John Gulion, John Cockum, Thomas Ball, Richard Sticklet, Robin Corbeck, Johnny Barry and John Liverpool – each of these men come with ten or less lances up to (Sticklet) 100 lances. I have no idea whether you will find arms for them or whether the names will inspire anything. The size of Hawkwood's company varies more than 20 fold, from 250 or less to several thousands depending on contracts and circumstances. Cooper's book is a good source link but there is masses of obscure material below the somewhat vague surface … Phil |
| Rakkasan | 18 Aug 2014 9:55 a.m. PST |
I cannot recommend this guy enough.
Here is a link to the listing of his historical products. Even if you do not want the decals, there are so many examples that you will find that are SIMPLE TO PAINT. link Cheers |
| John the OFM | 18 Aug 2014 9:58 a.m. PST |
Johnny and Ozzie? Sound like Good Ole Boys!
But thanks. I will look them up tonight. |
| John the OFM | 18 Aug 2014 10:02 a.m. PST |
SIMPLE TO PAINT. That is always my first preference. Thanks for that link. |
| Yesthatphil | 18 Aug 2014 11:13 a.m. PST |
 It is hard not to imagine that Ozzie Norton liked heavy metal and hard riding …
Phil |
 Parzival  | 18 Aug 2014 11:28 a.m. PST |
Given that it's not really clear whether Hawkwood was "officially" a knight (he may well have "knighted" himself), the question may not be what other knights were in his company, but rather what other savvy self-promoters claimed the title and gave themselves arms in imitation of their commander. As it is, perhaps he didn't have any "knights" in his command at all. Though if he did, I'll bet the bar sinister was prominent on their shields. |
| altfritz | 18 Aug 2014 5:36 p.m. PST |
I thought the deal was that they wore white surcoats? Hence, the "white company"… |
| John the OFM | 18 Aug 2014 8:57 p.m. PST |
Assuming Ozzie was not a younger son…
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| John the OFM | 18 Aug 2014 9:02 p.m. PST |
I can also find most of the others, yesthatphil.
Thanks! |
| Fizzypickles | 19 Aug 2014 10:07 a.m. PST |
'John Hawkwood' I knew I'd heard that name somewhere. I wonder if this is the inspiration for the fictional character in the book 'Ottoman' by Alan Savage? |
begins his series on how to paint a 15mm DBA army well, in a reasonable time frame.
