"New board request: Colonial Wars" Topic

There seems to be quite a lot of support for this over on the 19th century board so worth raising it here for general approval, and suggestions on where it might be placed, and which existing boards (such as TSATF) could be incorporated as subs of the main board

I'd suggest we define 'colonial' as covering wars and campaigns arising from 19th century European Empire building (vaguely Victorian: anything from 1830 – 1902) to avoid confusion – so the Plains Wars would remain part of "Old West" and earlier campaigns such as the Portugese in Africa or the Spanish (Cortez) in South America would remain as Renaissance.

Thoughts?

I think the continual subdividing of the board is a bad thing.
Harder to be exposed to some of the more esoteric eras if you are only seeing/visiting things that you are altrady interested in.

A colonial wars board makes more sense than a TSATF board.

Amen to that.

Agree with Caesar.

Yeah sounds good.

I would support rolling TSaTF into a general "Colonial" board. I do think it may be worth drawing a distinction between the asymmetrical warfare typically seeing a largely European force on one side and a largely "native" force on the other and the more symmetrical wars of Europe and the Americas.

I think the continual subdividing of the board is a bad thing.

No, it is not. It encourages more threads in the "new" Boards.

And there is no need to subsume TSATF into a Colonial Board. Crosspost to both!

In fact, I think that there should be a separate Board for Mexican wars.

The TSATF board is so specific and rich on contributions that is comprhensive of everything colonial. a generic or general colonial board will downplay it..

I am against the idea. We do not need even more boards for boards for even more boards. Ridiculous!

So how about simply renaming the board?

"Colonials/TSATF" should cover it nicely--no new boards, but a clearer place to address everything related to either.

TVAG

Rename the ENTIRE 19th Century Boards to "TSATF", and then, MAYBE, you are doing justice to the greatest game ever played!

I think TVAG and Dave Crowell nailed it precisely. A combined board for both the wider spectrum of "Victorian" colonials and TSATF serves the greater good. And while those of you enamored of TSATF (I play it sometimes at conventions) like your personalized sub-board, the action on that board is pretty low in comparison to other unrelated and not particularly even close to 'mainstream' periods. Doing as Dave and TVAG suggests just might greatly reinvigorate interest in these rules. And for those of us not quite so enamored of those rules who want to discuss other rules amongst those most likely to have the interest…well, I think that is a good thing.

Strange, but I think that Early Morning Writer nailed the case for two separate Boards.

Agreed w/TVAG and Dave…just change the name, maybe add a sub=folder or two and Voila!

Done!

I think either TVAG's idea or just having two boards would be great. I've always found '19th Century Discussion' to be a little broad. (And TSATF is a bit narrow.)

suppress everything useless as:
a) Fantasy
b) Toy Soldiers
c) Spanish/Italian/British Wargamers
d) Naval
e) Medias
ecc….

and rename everything TSATF :-)

Okay, Winston, explain yourself. 'Cuz I is confused by how I made the point for 'two' boards. One, surely, in this case, is better than two. See reasons above from others.

And to avoid confusion: I am solidly behind the Colonial Wars board. But Victorian era, not just any colony because then we've got to include the Greeks colonizing Syracuse and who knows what else!

I would love to see a Colonial Board but hate to see the TSATF board be disbanded or incorporated. TSATF has been around since the early 1980's and has a very strong following that serves many periods and conflicts, not just Victorian Colonial, though that was its inception period.
Cheers,
JB

Good Idea!

Is there a reason why we can't have both?

I second Nick Pasha; why not both?

I thought the reason for the creation of TSATF board was that TMP'ers played other Colonial games not just TSATF. I agree that 19th century is an all-encompassing category but if people want a specific forum, can't they start one with enough support? And as SgtGuinness notes, TSATF is not just Colonial anymore.

But then, I am somewhat biased……… :^)

I have a question about this period ascribed to the word "Colonial". While players seem to associate it with TSATF, and thus apparently to the Victorian period, in America at least the "Colonial" era would be the reigns of say, James I through George III.

I know if I was looking for a pre-AWI board, I might look at one labeled "Colonial". I understand that this isn't the only possible use of the term, just pointing out a possible point of confusion, that is, that "Colonial" could easily refer to the 18th century as well as the 19th.

There's a good chunk of history between Queen Victoria and the Renaissance.

Cheers.

grommet37, see here TMP link for earlier thread discussing adding a Victorian Colonial board. I believe this thread may be a response to that because it added in the TSATF board – and some of the TSATF advocates are pretty 'hard core' about their 'turf.'

But I contend that we need a broad based Victorian Colonial board since there are many other rules and just other areas for discussions, like figures and terrain that have nothing to do with a particular set of rules. When I started that other discussion it was not against TSATF but for those of us with other interests, including other rules options.

I do hope we will see such a board. As a matter of fact, I think the TSATF board was a response to a request many years ago for a Colonial Board – focused on the Victorian Age but not exclusive to British Empire events since there were other nations out there doing things like France and even USA in the Philippines (which some will argue wasn't imperialistic and others will disagree – but this is a discussion about a new board not the politics of imperialism, that would need the new board!)

Just one board called "Victorian Era Colonial" roughly 1836 to 1901, fought in third world areas like Africa, Asia and the Middle East, largely between the great imperial powers and natives.

You shouldn't call it just the "colonial board." My first thought when I hear the term "colonial wars" or "colonial board", is pre-revolutionary America, as in Colonial America.

You do not need one board for every set of rules on the market. I am a fan and regularly play TSATF, but there should not be a separate board for those or any other set of rules. It just leads to more cross-posting. Just one Victorian Colonial board that covers all the rules and the period.

If I asked a general question like for instance the correct shade of khaki or grey for the British in the Sudan, I shouldn't have to post the inquiry on five or more different boards to make sure I don't miss anyone that could have the answer to my question.

If you want to bond with your fellow TSATF players, there is a great Yahoo Group which is totally devoted to TSATF.

By the way the Victorian Era does not apply to any one country. It is a time period. Like the Regency Period or the Federal period, Second Empire etc…

Can I create a new period (not a new board)? I want to call it the Rooseveltian era.

Rallynow, your idea works well for me.

Mr. Editor person, where is our new board?

Colonial Board? Whose Colonies?

What Rallynow said.