"The Decker-class was one ugly FASA ship " Topic

"From the front, it looks fine. From the top and the side, it looks whoever at FASA designed it was really hitting the bottle. Here's the description from Memory Beta:

The Decker-class was a Federation class X destroyer starship in Starfleet service in the 23rd century, becoming active on reference stardate 2/7502.
The Decker-class vessels crewed 200 officers and crew, with room for up to 10 passengers and about 100 Starfleet Marines. Additionally, the Decker could carry 10,000 metric tons of cargo, rated at 200 SCU (standard cargo units). The vessels weighed 140,603 metric tons, measured 288 meters in length, 120 meters in width and 52 meters in height. The Decker had four standard (6 person) personnel transporters, four 12-person escape transporter stages and four cargo transporters, two for large scale cargo and two for small scale cargo. The control computer of the Decker vessels was of the M-6A type…"

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It originally came out when FASA had the Star Trek rpg licence and had developed its own starship combat game. The book came out when TNG was still in its first season. I never tried out the ships there.

Many of the FASA designed ships were just plain ugly.

The 'fuselage' is odd, but in some ways this ship reminds me of the Enterprise E from the TNG films.

FASA had some winners, but a lot the ships, Federation in particular were…. unfortunate.

-Will

Agree. The Klingon and Romulan ships were for the most part good looking and imaginative. The Federation ships had a lot of…odd designs. Still there were some good ones, like the Loknar, Anton, really most of the TOS era ships. But many of the Movie era ships were just odd.

Damon.

I don't know really anything about this ship because it's not in the Federation Ship Recognition Manual by Fasa.

Dynaman8789 I admit Fasa did do some ugly ships but what about their fighting ability?

For myself I have all of the Fasa miniatures and I like every one of them and I even have many that Fasa NEVER made like:

Federation
Continent
Anton
Brenton
Durrett
Thufir
Derf

Klingon
L-13 Fatman
D-20 Deathrite
D-11 One Wing
D-14 Stinger
K-27 Grim Reaper
L-6 Defender

Romulan
V-4 Wing of Vengance
M-4 Wings of Justice
V-1 Starglider
V-20 Star Seeker
V-27 Comet of Destruction
T-2 Death Talon

All of these ships are cast in metal and many are very good I know a friend who can cast these up.

I like Fasa miniatures very much and I have well over 300 miniatures be they original,copy or custom made.

I'm even trying to keep FASA alive by running FASA Star Trek games at local conventions off and on.

And eventhough some are ugly but in combat they're not that bad.

For myself I call the FASA miniatures the GHQ of Star Trek ship miniatures and I say that because of the quality and detail of the miniatures surpasses all others.

> Dynaman8789 I admit Fasa did do some ugly ships but what about their fighting ability?

Depends on which version of the ship construction manual you used. If the first one then EVERY ship in the game was a dog – the best design would have been to load a ship up with nothing but Photon Torpedoes. The later editions fixed this problem (and made ship design more complex).

Yes they're many ships in the Ship Recognition Manual which were upgraded with better weapons etc,but what about the ships which weren't upgraded?

Ships like the Kiev,Wilkerson and Durrett which never had an upgrade,do you use the ship construction to upgrade those ships?

See I've never done that I've had friends who are more versed at doing those things.

Andorian Cruiser fan here

I loved the game but it was just too overbalanced in favour of the Feds – everything they had was better than the rest – often by miles. The Fed 20pt torp was a total ship killer (and game killer)

Yep Pilgrim, that was FASA's Star Trek game's biggest draw back. And yet any one that played a Federation ships complained when you bring an extra Klingon D-7 or two to try and balance it out. But in the game the D-7 in any of it's forms and variants was never a match for the Enterprise which had 2 forward of those 20pt torps.

Games like that and I just go back to generic sci-fi rules where your weapons are pretty much the same as the other guys.

The biggest problem with the 'Feds are better than everyone else' syndrome in FASA Trek was that the point costs assigned to ships didn't reflect the real capabilities. They wanted the Klingons to need three D7's to take down the Enterprise, but the Enterprise wasn't worth three D7's in the game's point system, it was only worth something like two.

-Will

FASA just reflected the original series, the Enterprise was more than a match for the D-7, on the rare occasions they fought. I seem to remember the vanilla SFB D-7 was quite a bit weaker in offense and defence, compared to the Constitution class.

Don't also forget, Klingons had stealth technology (thanks Hollywood), which meant those D-7's were sometimes not alone! We never used points systems but devised challenging scenarios based on the actual effectiveness of the ships, as did the scenarios available from FASA.

FASA did add a Klingon D-10 which turns out as a closer match for a Constitution class, but the D-7's were the work horse of the fleet. And the Constitutions were the Federation's work horse. On a grand scale however I believe the Klingon's ranks of D-7s did out number the Constitutions, FASA made up numbers for their game.

At any given time there could have been 42 to 57 of the Constitution class ships in their various refits. Where FASA places the number of D-7s 1871 as the base and then there are refits and upgraded ships made after words so the final number could easily be over 2000 D-7s in service at any time.

The Federation went for quality the Klingons went for numbers. But even with the roughly 400+ D-10s the Federation seems a bit out numbered. So much that why would Klingons send out just 1 or 2 D-7s if they have so darn many of them to spare?

Of all the Klingon ships FASA invented for their game the best were the D-10, the D-2 Stingtongue and D-14 Stinger destroyers.

For the Federation the Chandley is a monster for a frigate. And the Kiev class looks more like a destroyer than a frigate.