Flashman14 | 12 Aug 2014 8:08 a.m. PST |
Just when I thought they were done with this range! link
It's unclear if there will be squadron level command or not. All I'd need is a bugler. What else could one want? Russian Hussars in winter dress (wearing their pelisses) is missing I guess. I'd still like some Russian Personality figures – not high command, that's well covered but Denis Davidov, or more company level command in greatcoats. How about Jaegers in great coat skirmishing with company level command – sergeants, corporals, cornetists, etc. Wurttemburgers in greatcoats marching or skirmishing would be awesome too – that was a big chunk of Ney's third corps and there's at least half a dozen Ney figurs – two of which are dismounted with coat and rifles. Since I'm in a reverie I may as well suggest hussars, dragoons, chasseurs, dismounted in cloaks/pelisses skirmishing with carbines. |
ironicon | 12 Aug 2014 8:39 a.m. PST |
Don't do napoleonics anymore, but these are so tempting. |
willthepiper | 12 Aug 2014 8:47 a.m. PST |
What else could one want? Russian Hussars in winter dress (wearing their pelisses) is missing I guess. These are already on the workbench:
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Col Blancard | 12 Aug 2014 9:59 a.m. PST |
I could well imagine some Guard units (in beakskins) skirmishing – such as the Dutch Grenadiers at Krasnoie
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Murawski | 13 Aug 2014 1:58 a.m. PST |
Poles! The only ones to make it back more in less as an army. And if the French had listened to them in the first place the army would have made it back in tact. Murawski Miniatures have started releasing 28mm Poles suitable for the Retreat from Moscow. Please see below:
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von Winterfeldt | 13 Aug 2014 4:24 a.m. PST |
The French listened to Napoleon, see for example Davout's proposals to rise so called Polish cossacks of about 20.000 – Napoleon ignored the adivces. |
marshalGreg | 13 Aug 2014 7:05 a.m. PST |
Sorry Guys! I do not see the attraction here. Napoleonics is the show of the glory of the tailer and black powder period warfare, is it not?. This is not going in that direction. I am one not attracted to paint troops to that extend of campaign dress and most other collects also reflect that fact. They would also not mesh well with the current collections (Many of us can barley get a collection painted to put on a game for any campaign/period let alone a dedicated army for only one campaign/period, let alone afford such duplication that appears to be required here). NAPs I also see, since starting back after 15 years break, has deteriorated to point if one doesn't field the figures there won't be a game. Before each one would build one or two Army's and we would meet. This seems also common with most convention games as well where it is a one man's burden to carry the show…. So… Do you really see a market for it? I hope your time and effort is not to be wasted and there is something there I am not seeing. I would have had somewhat of a better understanding, but still not complete one, if meeting the 200th 1812 Campaign anniversary. I must say ….The figures are well sculpted! MG |
Col Blancard | 13 Aug 2014 8:17 a.m. PST |
well one can think of skirmish games set in the Russian winter. Big battalions would be too much work for something so specific indeed! |
Flashman14 | 13 Aug 2014 11:16 a.m. PST |
1812 Russia is a wonderful backdrop for a skirmish campaign. Not too far in to the campaign, unit cohesion is mostly zilch, I can scrape together any figures I want and it would be plausible for a foraging expedition in Russian territory, making off with livestock (if you can find any), fending off a Cossack raid, holding a village laden with supplies, rear guard actions, capturing a gun, the sky is the limit. Think Vikings in shakos – I'm going to popularize non-Peninsula Napoleonic skirmish! All the drama for me is at the individual level – the army level stuff is too abstract for me and only In the Grand Manner approaches the right visual appeal. Oh, I monk around with Empire but it looks like a field of re-enactors rather than the massive spectacle that it was. Even the 6mm crowd uses small units. Truthfully no one has the space to really do it right though some presentations are better than others. Meanwhile, at 1:1 or 1:5 ratios it's much more immersive. I've always been interested in what individuals are doing rather than the movement of Corps or army groups. I like the latter but I'm always keen to know what a Sgt Bourgogne is doing or a Captain Parquin, or a Jakob Walter, or a Denis Davidov, or a James Graham, or a Gabriel Feraud. Or even a Richard Sharpe. |
Tango01 | 13 Aug 2014 11:36 a.m. PST |
There are more lovely figures…
Amicalement Armand |
deadhead | 13 Aug 2014 11:53 a.m. PST |
but back to MarshalGreg. I fear he may well be right and, yet, thank goodness manufacturers are prepared to produce individual figures, to this quality. There is no fortune to be made with these. They are for skirmish games and no modeller or wargamer will produce rank upon rank of identical figures, as they might for cuirassiers or Garde, in full dress. Everyone produces almost identical marching French these days; that is how to make a buck. Full dress is easier to paint, frankly, than campaign. For Retreat the challenge is even harder. Not the bright shiny colours (although we have seen this range, just so, within the last year, on this forum). It takes real skill to get them to look like guys who have been frozen, starved, ambushed all the way home………….. |
willthepiper | 13 Aug 2014 12:55 p.m. PST |
deadhead and marshalGreg may not be interested in these figures, but I am! I've already painted up Perry Cossacks in winter gear plus angry peasants, and my gaming colleague painted up the retreating French troops. We played a multi-player skirmish game a few months ago, where the referee managed the Russians (peasants, Cossacks, light cavalry, jaegers) as random encounters and chasers for scattered bands of French stragglers. There's some photos, AAR and other background here: link |
Tango01 | 13 Aug 2014 11:17 p.m. PST |
Good job willthepiper! Amicalement Armand |
deadhead | 14 Aug 2014 2:30 a.m. PST |
NOT INTERESTED? Far from it. I have just spent ages converting Russian dragoons in overcoats to Garde Lancers in manteaux. These new promised releases are far better and are on my priority "must have" list. No, I am saying Perrys will not make their fortune with these. No one will buy more than two sets, allowing for variety of poses, but I think it is marvellous they will make figures like this………… |
Supercilius Maximus | 14 Aug 2014 12:10 p.m. PST |
I'm hoping for some Bavarian heads to allow these winter chasseurs to be converted to chevauxleger regiments. |
deadhead | 14 Aug 2014 1:26 p.m. PST |
That is what your saw is for. You create the heads….it is not difficult (but the result is twice as expensive, even then it is rare that I have not found some use for the beheaded figure left) Do not hope for Bavarian heads, produce them from the existing ranges. The final figure is yours, it is unique to you (OK you do rely on the Perrys +++ I admit)….that is a great feeling! Soon as I saw these I thought of my nine headless Polish lancers, now on Russian Dragoons in overcoats. But just as easily Grenadiers a Cheval or Chasseurs a Cheval of Garde, Carabiniers….anyone with a helmet and horse tail obviously more tricky. Swap heads around. You cannot wait for the manufacturers. If these really come with both variety of right arms, but also of heads, the latter is inspired for conversion. So much easier. |