Smokey Roan | 09 Aug 2014 6:51 p.m. PST |
It is with heavy heart that I announce that I will be out of here, from August 25th until September 2nd! (unless teh internets work in a remote area of the Shark River Basin, which it did not last time I was there. If I do get Internets, well then, I will bombard TMP with pics of Kreesten and I catching epic fish and taunting salt water crocs). Might even pull the old self destruct lever on the 2nd, depends on how the Labor Day game goes, and never post again. Anyway, I thought this was the proper forum to announce that you're leaving.
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Charlie 12 | 09 Aug 2014 6:59 p.m. PST |
Against Louisville? The U should prevail. Now if that was 'Bama… |
Smokey Roan | 09 Aug 2014 7:16 p.m. PST |
I predict the Canes lose by 28+ points, and UL runs up 600+ yards of offense. Shalala. 'Nuff said. |
John the OFM | 09 Aug 2014 7:48 p.m. PST |
Can you put your Supporting Membership on HOLD for that week saving you a ton of money? |
Garand | 09 Aug 2014 8:42 p.m. PST |
I have a vacation coming up in a week. Can anyone suggest the most dramatic way I can announce it around here? Damon. |
skippy0001 | 09 Aug 2014 8:52 p.m. PST |
Enjoy!!…but come back. Your posts are needed to jump start my vascular system. |
Mparx666 | 09 Aug 2014 11:31 p.m. PST |
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Ed Mohrmann | 10 Aug 2014 8:25 a.m. PST |
Wow….d'elite overload….:-) |
Knight of St John | 10 Aug 2014 8:49 a.m. PST |
Well that must have been an interesting conversation. |
Charlie 12 | 10 Aug 2014 9:09 a.m. PST |
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CraigH | 10 Aug 2014 9:26 a.m. PST |
I always miss the good stuff… |
Cyclops | 10 Aug 2014 9:51 a.m. PST |
Not this time. One of the most offensive posts I've seen on TMP. Unfortunately Bill has seen fit to delete the subsequent posts as well. A shame as they all, bar Smokey's, condemned it. Gave me a little bit of faith in the TMP membership. |
deephorse | 10 Aug 2014 10:47 a.m. PST |
Yes, what exactly did we do to deserve our posts being deleted? And the original offender hasn't even been DH'd. I suppose no forum rules were broken, but what about breaking some rules of common human decency? |
Editor in Chief Bill | 10 Aug 2014 11:09 a.m. PST |
Unfortunately Bill has seen fit to delete the subsequent posts as well. When a post is removed, follow-on posts are also removed. Otherwise, the topic doesn't make much sense. |
Pijlie | 10 Aug 2014 12:17 p.m. PST |
I think our responses made PERFECT sense. They referred quite clearly to the fault committed here. To my astonishment Cyrus is not even DH-ed. Bill, this is no way to moderate a forum! He will simply do it again at the first opportunity, since he knows the worst thing that could happen is a deleted post! Surely there must be some rule in that tome of yours that forbids making sick jokes about burning people! |
John the OFM | 10 Aug 2014 12:46 p.m. PST |
Cyrus broke no rules, unless you count incredibly bad taste a rule. I quite agree that there SHOULD be a rule, but there isn't. Go to the FAQ and find something if you must. We wouldn't want punishments to be totally capricious and arbitrary, would we? |
deephorse | 10 Aug 2014 1:27 p.m. PST |
I see what you did there John. |
KatieL | 10 Aug 2014 1:32 p.m. PST |
"Cyrus broke no rules. Go to the FAQ and find something if you must." Challenge accepted. 1) Copyright violation on the photo. 2) Objectionable post -- based on the number of people who objected. 3) Then there's the "Act like an adult, and remember that your audience includes people of all ages (including children) and from diverse cultures" rule. Pictures of people actually burning themselves to death? Suitable for posting where children might find them? "There used to be a Buddhist monk here on TMP…" vs 4) "Can I discuss religion here? No." and also the 5) "Can I insult some group I don't like? No." There's 5 cases to answer. |
John the OFM | 10 Aug 2014 5:00 p.m. PST |
KatieL, make your case to the Editor. I have no say here. |
Pijlie | 10 Aug 2014 9:35 p.m. PST |
Bill, Given KatieL's case, why is Cyrus not DH-ed for this? We discussed this before. When you are this lenient with behaviour like this, there is no incentive whatsoever to behave better. This will rub off on TMP's reputation, if it hasn't already. Deleting this post will not prevent that. Members like Cyrus and Smokeyroan will simply do it again. |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 11 Aug 2014 2:49 a.m. PST |
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Editor in Chief Bill | 11 Aug 2014 4:38 a.m. PST |
Given KatieL's case, why is Cyrus not DH-ed for this? I have discussed the matter with Cyrus and I believe the issue is resolved. |
B6GOBOS | 11 Aug 2014 6:47 a.m. PST |
What in the wide wide world of sports is going on with TMP? Perhaps the mst insulting, offensive and just plain stupid post appears here. And then after a brew haha erupts is taken down as are the answers to it. Wow! Like it never happened. The individual who posts it is not DH? Why? Bill you spoke to im so now it is alright? Gosh lets just errase any unpleasentness and pretend it did not happen. After the bloodshed over frothers I has hoped a civility might return. Nope not here! Mabey I should go over to that other site . All I heard for months were how insulting and crude they were. Bill mabey you need to look a littlecloser in your own back yard. |
Flecktarn | 11 Aug 2014 7:05 a.m. PST |
This thread seems to be a sad example of the malaise that is creeping through TMP. People are being DH'd or banned for having and stating opinions, yet people who post the most disgusting things merely have the matter "discussed" with them. The utter inconsistency is both bizarre and worrying as it seems to validate so many of the criticisms made of the Editor. In addition, the removal of all the posts subsequent to the offensive ones does seem to indicate a desire to airbrush the problem out of history. Jurgen |
Pijlie | 11 Aug 2014 7:44 a.m. PST |
I find this incomprehensible and revolting. Bill, if you want anyone to take your moderating style even remotely serious, you just achieved the opposite. After what you DH-ed and banned people for lately, letting Cyrus off with a stern talk-to for a disgusting joke like that can only be seen in one way. |
Two Owl Bob | 11 Aug 2014 9:30 a.m. PST |
Obviously it depends who you are rather than what you say… |
javelin98 | 11 Aug 2014 10:01 a.m. PST |
Would an "epic fish" be, in 6mm scale, like a millimeter long? |
B6GOBOS | 11 Aug 2014 10:04 a.m. PST |
Or as George Orwell said in Animal Farm All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal … Here at TMP what would get you DH'ed or locked out has no effect on others .if you are in the chosen group. |
KatieL | 11 Aug 2014 10:16 a.m. PST |
"Obviously it depends who you are" Hmm. "The most sacred of the duties of a government is to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens." |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 11 Aug 2014 11:11 a.m. PST |
'All I heard for months were how insulting and crude they were.' we are, but you have to look past all that – and avoid the Frothpot boards to start with – that helps :D |
BlackWidowPilot | 11 Aug 2014 12:53 p.m. PST |
we are, but you have to look past all that – and avoid the Frothpot boards to start with – that helps I go to a hobby forum to have fun and interact with fellow hobbyists. I do not go to a hobby forum to be subjected to the sort of nonstop profanity, misogyny, barely concealed racism, homophobia, verbal abuse, trolling including trolling other fora, gratuitous egotistical huff-puffery, ad nauseum that characterizes the discourse on the Frothers site. No thanks. You can keep it. Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net |
Pijlie | 11 Aug 2014 12:57 p.m. PST |
This is not about Frothers. This is about TMP. Please do not change the subject. It is important enough to stick with it for once. |
Cyclops | 11 Aug 2014 1:03 p.m. PST |
misogyny, barely concealed racism, homophobia I'll give you the profanity, verbal abuse and even some trolling but not the rest. It simply isn't true. Not that I'm going to get into that here. |
jpattern2 | 11 Aug 2014 1:08 p.m. PST |
Simply deleting posts that blatantly break the rules is not sufficient. DHing teaches more of a lesson. At the very least, it removes the rule-breaker from TMP for a few days, giving everyone a chance to cool down. |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 11 Aug 2014 3:50 p.m. PST |
'This is not about Frothers. This is about TMP. Please do not change the subject. It is important enough to stick with it for once.' – True, but someone always has to make a comment about Frothers, but bar the cussing TMP is not really that different anymore. |
adster | 11 Aug 2014 4:16 p.m. PST |
Yes the profanity IS true. The rest of your is not. |
Weasel | 11 Aug 2014 4:55 p.m. PST |
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jpattern2 | 11 Aug 2014 6:20 p.m. PST |
And there's another gray-boxed poster. |
Pijlie | 11 Aug 2014 10:30 p.m. PST |
People, making personal attacks will just result in more deleted posts. Please stick to the point and swear to your keyboard if you have to, but don't post it here. Bill usually leaves the discussion at this point, but I am still very curious how he "resolved" something like this with just a chat. |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 12 Aug 2014 1:56 a.m. PST |
yup, I was thinking that Adster. |
KatieL | 12 Aug 2014 2:17 a.m. PST |
"Why didn't KatieL get the same treatment that a male member would get ???" What treatment were you expecting for my reading, understanding and quoting with context from the forum's long-standing rules? |
Pijlie | 12 Aug 2014 8:34 a.m. PST |
Which is odd, given the number of editors we have nowadays. THE Editor seems to have dodged this thread as well, it seems… |
BlackWidowPilot | 12 Aug 2014 8:36 a.m. PST |
I see that a Frother just proved my point. As for denial of Frothers bad habits, denial ain't a river in Egypt, and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to go read a few threads on Frothers to pick up on the good ole boys behaving badly club mentality that rules that particular roost… It is amazing, really, that so many supposed adults have spent so much time and energy in pursuit of this tempest in a teapot when there are vastly more pressing, truly existentially dire problems afflicting the world right now here and in Europe, problems that could stand the sort of in depth scrutiny and persistence applied here, but no, this is far, far too damn important for a bunch of grown men from Frothers to let go of in favor of anything remotely more constructive. Ye stars and little comets… Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net |
Editor in Chief Bill | 12 Aug 2014 8:49 a.m. PST |
Which is odd, given the number of editors we have nowadays. THE Editor seems to have dodged this thread as well, it seems… Not every editor is assigned to forum duties. Editor Julia and I are working our way through forum complaints right now. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 12 Aug 2014 9:05 a.m. PST |
There does seem to be a lack of equality, when female members are not give the same consideration as male members. If that were true, I would agree with you. Editor Julia is now caught up with all forum complaints. |
Pijlie | 12 Aug 2014 9:28 a.m. PST |
In the meantime, you still have not explained how you "resolved" this with Cyrus. Do we have a right to such an explanation? I think we do, as we are a bunch of people who were deeply offended (thank you Leland for explaining how unimportant our feelings are) by Cyrus' joke and took the trouble to complain about it, just to have our posts deleted and be ignored. |
Cyclops | 12 Aug 2014 10:19 a.m. PST |
Deleted as I've realised arguing with people who won't look at the evidence is too frustrating. You win Leland. Frothers did it. |
Weasel | 12 Aug 2014 11:14 a.m. PST |
This morning, I went to make some breakfast and we were out of milk. Frothers took the last milk and didn't go to the store for more! |
BlackWidowPilot | 12 Aug 2014 1:35 p.m. PST |
thank you Leland for explaining how unimportant our feelings are Straw man.
Deleted as I've realised arguing with people who won't look at the evidence is too frustrating. You win Leland. Frothers did it. I've looked at the assorted "evidence" on the Frother's site, including all of the usual discourse I've described previously. I repeat what I said before, that it is amazing, really, that so many supposed adults have spent so much time and energy in pursuit of this tempest in a teapot when there are vastly more pressing, truly existentially dire problems afflicting the world right now here and in Europe, problems that could stand the sort of in depth scrutiny and persistence applied here, but no, this is far, far too damn important for a bunch of grown men from Frothers to let go of in favor of anything remotely more constructive.
As for the "joke" perpetrated by "Cyrus," I missed that, but my record here on TMP speaks for itself on the matter of bigotry in any form including misogyny, so if "Cyrus" crossed such a line, he's no better than the worst of the Frothers knuckleheads posting "Nun Porn" and other such juvenile idiocy. Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net |
Editor in Chief Bill | 12 Aug 2014 4:27 p.m. PST |
In the meantime, you still have not explained how you "resolved" this with Cyrus. Do we have a right to such an explanation? I think we do, as we are a bunch of people who were deeply offended (thank you Leland for explaining how unimportant our feelings are) by Cyrus' joke and took the trouble to complain about it… It seems pretty simple to me, Pijlie. I advised him not to do it again, and from his response I felt confident he understood. As far as I recall, he's never been in trouble on TMP before, so a warning was sufficient in this situation. …just to have our posts deleted and be ignored. You are not listening. The posts were deleted because they made no sense without the original post, and this is the way we try to treat all such incidents. Nobody was ignored. Action was taken, order was restored. |