"Is Bretonnia being incorporated into the Empire?" Topic

The Empire pages in the GW online store include the Bretonnia stuff now. Have they been amalgamated into one thing?

I'd imagine that the Bretonnians are probably the least popular army in WFB but they did have a style all their own. They were actually my first WFB army or my first fantasy army at all.

I just checked the store, and the Empire stuff does not have any Bretonnian stuff in it.

There has been speculation that the Brets would be rolled into The Empire due to the similarities. I'm not so sure those rumors are credible. Just as equally, some rumormongers suggest Brets are coming next year…

Edit: I think far more concerning for Bret players is that there is one unit for sale in that section right now…

Damon.

I fully suspect that my Bretonnian army will be defunct or changed radically in the next release of WHFB. Oh well, always Armies of Arcana.

Weird. It isn't in there for me now either.

It depends on if Hibernia votes to secede, doesn't it?

Rich

I am thinking of selling my WHFB armies and scaling down to the Splintered Light minis and try out Pride of Lions rules. I fear that Gdubs is gonna mess this one up even more :-(

Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

We are talking GW here and they are more likely to split them up into more over priced books.

GW just must be having some problems on just what to give them as a huge over priced model.

I have heard in several circles that bretonnian, lizard and several other armies will be discontinued as GW is trying to scale down the warhammer range into a more managable and hopefully profitable range.

Rabbit

They are being combined with the Squats and Zoats.

Bresquatzoatians.

How can a range not be profitable when you charge $76 USD for 3 figures knowing that at least 500 people will buy them?

Because that grosses you $38,000 USD; less than the cost of the mould tooling.

It has always seemed to me GW should go in the direction of mega army books that can be used to outfit several specialized armies or general alliances of the factions.

If you think about it, Orcs/Goblins/Ogres, Chaos, and Slann/Kroxigor/Skinks are already that way. Empire and Dogs of War are not that far apart and adding in their magnificent backwards knightly cousins plus the quirky Kislev and the marauding Norsca might nicely bundle the humans. The Elves can be combined into one book describing their different cultural variants. Vampires and mummy kings were I believe one army previously. There is already a Dwarf offshoot which fans would like back.

There have been many lists in the past where a choice of general allowed a specialized army. For example if an Empire army took a Bretonnian Hero or Lord as general that might allow additional knightly orders that use a special formation, and a Blessing to non-gunpowder units, but require reduced leadership for infantry.

Pictors, on the new site, you can have multiple armies checked off on the left hand side and it will all mix together.

Xin

CeruLucifus,
That would be nice, but it's clear that GW is going in the opposite way. They've split their armies more and more in order to force folks to buy more miniatures and Army books that now cost $50 USD each!

I don't know if it's totally happened to WHFB yet, but 40k is already seeing alot of specialized Codices for sub factions and even individual mini books for certain units.

It has always seemed to me GW should go in the direction of mega army books that can be used to outfit several specialized armies or general alliances of the factions.

I personally would not have a problem with this, but you know that if they did combine FREX all the elfs into one book, there will be people moaning why they cannot take DE Shades with Swordmasters, backed up by Glade Guard.

That, however, is irrelevant, as there are rumors that 40K's Unbound rules may make a fantasy port.

Damon.

It has always seemed to me GW should go in the direction of mega army books that can be used to outfit several specialized armies or general alliances of the factions.

They did this before.

It was called WFB 1st Edition

Go Empire! Blazing Sun knights all the way!

I just will stay with the 6th edition rules of WFB and not worry. Recently some of my gaming buddies discussed going all the way back to 2nd Edition back when you could customize and things were open ended. GW lost me as a regular customer a long time ago. Still love the old figures and the back story for WFB as well as 40K but they have priced themselves out of my market. One of my armies is the Dogs of War which of course is gone completely out of the current game. It is one of my largest collections and all painted. Guess what? I am going to play that army regardless. Plus some of the units get double duty for Italian Wars.

The new edition of 40k allows "unbound" armies, meaning anyone can ally with any army. Most speculate that Warhammer Fantasy will go the same way, or some only slightly lesser permutation of that. No one seems certain about particular armies getting "squatted" though extremely reliable rumor sources on Warseer state that new Bretonnians are in the release schedule, and that something "BIG" is coming otherwise to change the game.

Rwphillipsstl:

I hope your right – big change is much needed for Warhammer.

Two rumors have been swerling – drop Bretonia as their only real hope is to mimic the Empire as an artillery magic army under 8th edition.

OR

Get rid of 8th edition return manuver to the table (and hence Bretonia).

Lets hope they pick option 2.

TomT

I'm all for maneuver and smaller units, as long as cavalry doesn't go back to the unstoppable force it was in 7th (well, except for Bretonnia perhaps lol). I do think 8th went too far the other way, but somewhere in the middle there is a good balance between the two.

Bob:

I agree that mounted were too powerful in 7th but they way over corrected.

My favorite solution was to drop ranks for mounted (horses don't really "push" aganist each other).

But Steadfast and Hordes rule went way too far.

(On the other hand the bow rules are much improved in 8th.)

TomT

Keep hordes (because otherwise the backlash from people who've spent hundreds on big blocks of infantry would kill it dead) but remove steadfast perhaps? Or at least remove steadfast if hit in the flank/rear at all?

Well in the new Nagash end times book Bretonnia features as one of the first places to be invaded- SPOILER ALERT! DO NOT READ BELOW IF YOY DON'T WANT TO KNOW NAGASH CONTENT!

Bretonnia has the King Leon killed in battle, but the green knight returns *as prophesied at Bretonnia's darkest hour) and is revealed to be Giles the new king of Bretonnia. The mortality rate of so many long running special characters is great in the Nagash book and I think THAT is the "world will never be the same" GW spoke of. Tilea is completely overrun as is Kislev seemingly in there entirety. A number of Bretonnian dukedoms have been lost but still survives for now to fight on- hope they don't get destroyed by chaos/deamons or Malekith or VC in the following books though …..

We need a new edition with better rules. The fluff comes and goes and is often latter ignored.

Bretonnia had much better fluff with a Robin Hood and Joan of Arc type character in the just proceeding army book. Last book was a bunch of Monty Python and the Holy Grail level nonsense.

TomT

I agree in some ways but the robin hood joan of arc historical/myth based armies background has been slowly killed off over the last few years and isn't in keeping with the grimdark setting that gw leans ever closer towards in searching for a definitive brand ownership over each of it's races. I for one loved the mercs and tilean/italian Renaissance angle but that has gone too. However I am glad that they seem to be re imagining bretonnia- the last version had some lovely KOR figs but as an army was so overtly bland overall. Any change in direction has to be a good thing.
Nb

I hope not. Anyway, there were rumours that Wood elfs will cease to be a separate army and will be accumulated in HE books – still, they got new book and some new models.
I've heard that Bretonnian sales are low, so I wonder if GW will have them at all…see how long Brets are having their army book, think it is the oldest existing.
There were rumours on some new models from time to time, but not sure if they are reliable

Better rules for the Bretonnians might spark some interest in buying the models – much inferior to the old Perry Brother's stuff of a few years back,

TomT

Many rumors now circulation on most Warhammer sites that 9th Edition will be released in October. Box set will be (according to rumor of course…) Bretonnians v. Undead.

If true … about time.

TomT

much inferior to the old Perry Brother's stuff of a few years back,

Don't worry the new guys at GW will ensure that the latest models will look horrible.

Gee I wonder what the large overprice Bretonnian model will be?

We get two more End Times books over next few months, followed by 9th edition, that many reliable rumor sources say will be different than current incarnation of the game. Very likely some combination of a move forward in the timeline, elimination or de emphasis/consolidation of certain armies, and a more skirmish-oriented game more similar to 40k/Warmachine/etc. that are all doing well as competitors to WFB.