peterx | 26 Jul 2014 7:10 p.m. PST |
Here is a BBC newstory that discusses the Battle of Bouvines where the German and Flemish allies of King John are defeated by the King of France. King John's forces retreat and soon afterword the Magna Carta is signed. I had never heard of this pivotal battle before. Have you? link |
vtsaogames | 26 Jul 2014 7:47 p.m. PST |
Here's the link. link I was aware of the battle but not of the results. |
Winston Smith | 26 Jul 2014 8:12 p.m. PST |
Yes, it's one of the battles that you have heard of but never bothered to go into. I thought it occurred after Agincourt. |
vtsaogames | 26 Jul 2014 8:18 p.m. PST |
I knew more about the tactics than I did the context. It was just a medieval battle that happened in a vacuum. Didn't even know King John had a side in it. There are more than one of those in my repertoire. |
Mark Plant | 26 Jul 2014 10:39 p.m. PST |
Bouvines is hardly "obscure". It's one of the few early Medieval battles that I could name on the Continent. That the ordinary person hasn't heard of it isn't a criteria for anything that long ago, especially as it wasn't in Britain, and largely fought by Germans and French. How many can say what the Battle of the Nile was about? Yet it is neither obscure nor unimportant for Britain's history. |
AUXILIAPAL | 26 Jul 2014 11:33 p.m. PST |
It was a great battle for France's history! By the way, our wargaming club "les NERVIENS" were there a few days ago. Here are the images: link Robert |
venezia sta affondando | 27 Jul 2014 3:24 a.m. PST |
Excellent, AUXILIAPAL. That is tres interesting. IIRC, Bouvines led directly to the French invasion of England and the almost end of King John. Plenty to campaign and battle/siege from those times. |
AcrylicNick | 27 Jul 2014 4:56 a.m. PST |
Yes, it is one of the pivotal battles of medieval Europe. I suspect it would be better known in the english-speaking world if the English had been on the winning side ;-) |
Druzhina | 27 Jul 2014 5:09 a.m. PST |
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The Last Conformist | 27 Jul 2014 7:02 a.m. PST |
If Bouvines is obscure, I submit there are very few non-obscure medieval battles. |
Great War Ace | 27 Jul 2014 11:50 a.m. PST |
All medieval battles are obscure. Their outcomes less so, but the meaning of said-outcomes are arguably the most obscure aspect of studying battles. Have you heard about a particular battle or not? That does not define it as obscure or not…. |
Yesthatphil | 27 Jul 2014 1:41 p.m. PST |
Brilliant, AUXILIAPAL ! Thanks for posting your link. Glad to see the battle recreated that way as part of the centenary … Vincent Auger did an Armati version of the game as an added attraction at the Society of Ancients' Bournemouth event earlier in the year
( Bouvines recreated at the 2014 'Armati-by-the-Sea' event) 'Obscurity' of course depends on the circles you move in … but Bouvines is one the effects of which reverberated through Europe history (far more important than the Anglo-Scottish Medieval battles of which we hear so much) Phil Ancients on the Move |
Big Martin Back | 28 Jul 2014 8:34 a.m. PST |
Well – I've heard of it. But then, I have been reading a number of books about the period recently. |
GGouveia | 28 Jul 2014 9:21 a.m. PST |
I've heard of Bouvines thanks to a medieval history course back in the 80's. However if you have ever played Fields of Glory for the computer, (slitherine software), I believe the battle is part of their medieval expansion or part of their great battles series. Great fun on the PC. |
rampantlion | 28 Jul 2014 11:00 a.m. PST |
I just ran a game of it at Historicon this past week. It is one of my favorite battles and I think it laid the foundation for a lot of what is now modern France as far as territory goes. Before Bouvines it is alarming how small the Ile De France is. TMP link Allen |
MajorB | 28 Jul 2014 12:31 p.m. PST |
Before Bouvines it is alarming how small the Ile De France is. The Ile De France still is small, even 800 years after Bouvines.
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