| jeffreyw3 | 25 Jul 2014 1:08 p.m. PST |
I'm in the process of finishing up the horses for a Perry Russian 12 pdr limber, and just realized the length of this contraption is going to run 20cm or so, without leaving room for the gun. For those of you who have done these before--what's the best way to base them? I'm not seeing anything in that size available commercially… thanks! |
| JimDuncanUK | 25 Jul 2014 1:15 p.m. PST |
I would base the limber linked with a pair of horses and space behind to mount the gun which could be removed when unlimbered. I would also base other pairs of horses separately and stand them in front of the limber pair. You would have a base with a pair of horses, another base with a pair of horses, another base with a pair of horses and limber and space for the gun. The gun would be free standing so it could placed on a gun crew base. |
| marshalGreg | 25 Jul 2014 1:20 p.m. PST |
Hmm… a problem for even the 15s.
A bigger problem for 28s
I follow the FmnF and use only 2 horse team with 15s. Looks fall short of ideal but, as a marker the foot print is better and can be placed behind the gun for each gun model ( 1 gun + 1 limber x2 per battery or x3 for Russian).
For 28mms, probably will not look right if you do that.
Most in 28 games I seen/played in have been placing it behind the gun side ways.
For 12 gun Russian battery, I would guess you have at least 3 gun models with 3 to 4 gunners ea ( representing 2 sections per model) so the 20cm would just about fit without sticking out either side of the deployed battery to much. Good side is that you model the road column length quite well. My 2 cents Other will have better answers son here.
try "google'ing" images of such
MG |
| bc1745 | 25 Jul 2014 1:32 p.m. PST |
I have based my first Perry RHA 6 horse set on two separate pill bases that I got Martin from Warbases to cut for me. One has Two pairs of horses on it and the other has one pair of horses and room for the limber and gun I will finish it tomorrow and post a picture
Chris |
| Cerdic | 25 Jul 2014 1:33 p.m. PST |
We're gonna need a bigger base……. |
| M C MonkeyDew | 25 Jul 2014 1:39 p.m. PST |
I base the horses individually and do not base gun or limber. Then I use movement trays for each pair of horses and a larger one for the pair closest the limber and the limber itself. gun |
| jeffreyw3 | 25 Jul 2014 1:42 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the quick responses… I'm guessing I'm going to have to do something similar to what Jim and Chris have suggested, given the size. I'm hesitating because Westfalia/Perry did a real nice job modelling the ropes on the horses, and there's enough bits in the kit to make the whole thing look quite impressive. (I managed to find some wire at Michael's that matches almost exactly and will take paint well). Otoh, I don't know if that will be robust enough for the table, and it won't take curves well. Looking forward to seeing the RHA setup tomorrow!
thanks! |
Big Red  | 25 Jul 2014 3:26 p.m. PST |
I use four horse teams. Six is just too big. |
| IronDuke596 | 25 Jul 2014 3:57 p.m. PST |
I use two horse teams for light guns (3 & 4 Pdrs) plus utility wagons, four horse teams for medium guns (6, 9 12pdr) plus ammo wagons etc. and six horse teams for large field/siege guns (18 & 24 pdrs). For ease of movement all teams are mounted on one base of plastic card (thick enough so that it only bends slightly) suitably based/landscaped with room for a removable gun. Ref rope/tracings; while you are at Michaels checkout the elasticized thread/string that comes in various colours and thickness. From experience this product reduces the frustration of gluing the traces in difficult areas especially when like me you have thick digits. |
| jeffreyw3 | 25 Jul 2014 4:00 p.m. PST |
Yep, Red, at 20:1, that limber is way, way out of ground scale. This is why I keep going back and forth between 28mm and 6mm, where you can at least get a semi-reasonable correlation between ground and figures. :-) Problem is that I really enjoyed painting the limber team, but I really dislike painting 6mm figures. I'm sure I'll end up doing both. |
 Unlucky General | 25 Jul 2014 7:19 p.m. PST |
Jeffreyw3 I approach this similarly to IronDuke596. My colleagues and I use one limber per battery of 3-4 guns in line with the concepts of Grand Manner Napoleonics. I buy an extra gun and base the entire limber team with gun towed on the single base. This gives great latitude for developing a model. When the battery deploys, the limber is exited from the table and replaced by the deployed gun battery. When it moves, off come the guns and on comes the liber team. I do not have many guns as I play British peninsular wars but I have got a completed limber model for my 9pdr battery, my 6pdr horse artillery and another for my rocket troop. |
| Winston Smith | 26 Jul 2014 6:31 a.m. PST |
You can always make your own base(s) from sheets of craft aircraft plywood. |
| jeffreyw3 | 26 Jul 2014 6:57 a.m. PST |
Winston--do you have a local supplier, or do you get that online? |
| bc1745 | 26 Jul 2014 7:45 a.m. PST |
Jeffrey
Link to pics for my basing effort here…. TMP link Straight to blog pics link Cheers
Chris |
| jeffreyw3 | 26 Jul 2014 10:48 a.m. PST |
Quick snap of the team. I think the Russians need to stop throwing so much stuff on their horses…
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| bc1745 | 26 Jul 2014 11:38 a.m. PST |
Depends on how much other transport was assigned to them…. Probably not much…. Even the British RHA crews loaded the horses and stowed extra on the limbers…. If you were an officer then you got more space on the battery wagons…. Need One or more of our Russian experts to help… |
| BelgianRay | 26 Jul 2014 11:46 a.m. PST |
@ M C LeSingeDew : found the idea very interesting and going to try it out. Only downside is that you can not put the ropes on. Oh well… Ropes : strip speaker wire (wich is cheap) and twist them. Once painted you get a real-looking rope design. They bend and are easy to appose. |
| jeffreyw3 | 26 Jul 2014 11:55 a.m. PST |
Ray, that's essentially the same suggestion that Chris and the others have been working with. One guy said that he was able to find some model ship rigging rope that matched what the Perry's are using, and given that those ropes had a lot of play in them, that might actually work, even if the front team wasn't based with the others. The "ropes" I found were twisted wire at Michael's, and yeah, it won't work. Chris, I was joking about the amount of time to paint everything on these…I've no doubt, they were quite a bit more burdened in real life. :) Off to do the riders… |
| bc1745 | 27 Jul 2014 11:11 a.m. PST |
I am going to give the model ship rigging rope ago when a get a chance…will let you know how it works out |
| jeffreyw3 | 27 Jul 2014 1:03 p.m. PST |
Mick said this was the stuff (available in Britain only, natch):
link Ugh…spent all day practicing faces, after ruining one of the riders. I hate faces.. :( |
| Widowson | 30 Jul 2014 9:14 a.m. PST |
Jeffrey, I use a limber with four horses on a base with extra space at the back for the limbered gun. No matter the scale, the limber and four horses provides what I would call accurate depth to represent the battery and its caissons, so when the gun is removed from the limber stand and placed on its firing stand with the crew, the limber is behind it. As for faces, especially in 15mm, I base paint the faces, use a light brown ink wash, then drybrush the highlights with the base color again. It's pretty fast and looks fine. |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
