"TMP Worldwide?" Topic

Addressing various "storms in a teacup" which have spring up over on Frothers, let's begin with…

TMP Worldwide

There is some information on the internet about a company called TMP Worldwide, connected to William William Armintrout of Ohio. It is apparently a hiring and recruiting company. There has been speculation on Frothers that I have been lying about TMP being my primary source of income, and that somehow I'm up to something nefarious.

I've never heard of this company before, and have no connection to it. This is either a complete coincidence, or somebody's data mining expedition put 2 + 2 together and got 87!

My ancestors do come from Ohio, so I imagine there are many people with my last name there; my first name is also common in the German-American family.

When I consider that the source of the various tempests never has a good word top say about ME, I consider them suspect.
I have spent idle hours and minutes searching for me on that site. But, looking for things to be personally outraged about is a poor way to waste your time.
So, I would take anything from there with a grain of salt.

Considering our "history", some may find my lukewarm defense … ironic.

When I am on a different forum I don't waste my time talking about another forum

Why address the Frothers' Teacup Tempests at all? While Bill's (and his assistant editors') activities on the web are public, his motivations are personal and private. Since that is a concept under siege by the ubiquity of digital communication and social media, let me say it again . . . private . . . as in "his own business and nobody else's."

As for the outrage on Frothers – is it really surprising that a forum so steeped in juvenile, potty-mouthed humor can get so fired up by speculation about the personal lives of people they don't particularly like?

And what's up with the Frothers' unhealthy obsession with TMP anyway? While they get mentioned over here occasionally, you don't see lengthy, ongoing discussions about them on TMP. And I'd prefer that we didn't start now.

Why address the Frothers' Teacup Tempests at all?

Only because the Frothers are doing drive-bys to post trolling topics on our forums. So it seemed best to put the information out ourselves, and refute it.

Bill,

I could not care less if you turned out to be the Chief Executive of Microsoft or another major business.

As for the other issues, as long as nothing illegal is happening, I could not care less if the editors are straight, gay, transgender or whatever, or what your motivation in working with them is.

Jurgen

And I am not a communist

At least they have not accused you of being a Congressman. That would be low.

So it seemed best to put the information out ourselves, and refute it.

Understandable, I guess, but I'm perfectly capable of discerning what is obviously a drive-by and ignoring it (not Ignore or Stifle, but good, old fashioned "disregarding as meaningless" type ignoring) until you or the other Editors delete it.

Hopefully, at some point the Frothers will realize that their terrorist tactics are self-destructive and doomed to failure (see Caleb Carr's "The Lessons of Terror") and will spend their time and effort contributing something positive to the hobby instead.

What Bill does is Bill's business. I'm here for the gaming, figures, painting etc.

Nowadays kids have too much time in their hands.

At least they have not accused you of being a Congressman. That would be low.

OFM, I'm surprised. You've written a dirty word. "Congressman" should NEVER be used in mixed company!

Charlie

I'm mystified as to why anyone would care how many businesses Bill does or doesn't have. He runs TMP. If he also does other stuff, so what?

I knew you were a spy.

I've been following the discussion and am finding that its taken a rather nasty turn this weekend. I see nothing wrong with what they have dug up. I don't think I will go back as there is very little Hobby related being posted.
This is a shame a there are so many talented people who are members there.

And such is, from my informant over there, I've been discussed a bit, and slandered some….by people that have never met me, on a website I have never been to….weird and sad.

They just seem to be an angry lot….

As they say on Frothers: "The s on TMP are redneck, credulous, unpleasant, venal, mentally challenged s."

TMP readers are "the General Redneck Public"

"Armintrout over here don't really have anything to do with Frothers. He's just thinking about scamming money out of his core supporters, the redneck perverts on TMP. "Help, the nasty men are hitting me with truth and reality, give me more cash!""

Hmmmmmm….. I live in a big city.So I can't really be a "Redneck". I would rather be "Credulous" then incredulous by definition.I try to be pleasant most of the time .I would love to be "venal". I could use the money LOL. And I am "challenged" a little bit. But that is what usually happens after suffering a stroke LOL."Perverted"? In what way? Naw. I don't really care about the insignificant non-entities out there. Just words on a screen.Don't bother with them Bill. They ain't worth the keystrokes. I joined there at one time and after reading what was posted there promptly left.

and will spend their time and effort contributing something positive to the hobby instead.

I don't think I will go back as there is very little Hobby related being posted.

So with all the hubbub I figured I'd go see this site for myself. It appears that people here seem to be focusing on only one aspect that forum. The thread at issue is located on "The Froth Pot," which is described as "Here you can discuss anything froth related that does not fit into another forum, or indeed any nonsense that should enter your head. " This is just like posting on the Utter Drivel Board.

The hobby-related postings look to be over in the "Colonel Marbles' Miniatures Frothzone" section. Seems like that would be a better place to visit, since there is hobby-related information there, and ignore the non-hobby-related postings.

Frothers is a great place. If you don't like threads about TMP don't go to the Froth Pot (or continually post there Bill- that thread was pretty much dead until you gave it new life). A bit like avoiding TMP Talk or Utter Drivel here.

I find Bill to be an honourable man. He shows a lot of patience.
Not impressed with any organisation that wants it's initials to spell offensive language. That includes French Conection.
On a lighter note Bill. Could you get rid of the OVR mode on the next edition of WORD please.

Thanks

martin

StarfuryXL5, since you have quoted me I will reply.

I have visiting Frothers since the attacks started so that could be just before Christmas. I signed up just so I could check any new posts since last visit.

There is very little being posted which is hobby related. Anything which is of interest is usually reposted on Lead Adventure.

There was a new forum mentioned and linked on Frothers which was being Beta tested by notable Frothers members. This seems to have all the eye candy posted to it so maybe Frothers is going to die a natural death.

We should all scratchbuild/kitbash a nuke and toss it in their general direction…..where did I put those laser triggers….

Well, I went to Frothers and checked it out. God gawd, what a lynch mob. As if any of it was their business in the first place. I was sorry to see former friends in the crowd. I guess we've each made our choices.

An originally-British friend told me that he emigrated to the US because he found the bloody-minded, sullen attitude of the average man-in-the-street there created a crab-bucket effect, where any crab who tried to climb out of the bucket would be grabbed by the others and dragged back down. My friend felt that he had to emigrate because otherwise his jealous friends and kin would not allow him to succeed in life. We see the same crab-bucket effect in ghetto cultures in the US.

You and the editors are driving them crazy with jealousy, Bill. You're running TMP. And they're not. But you and the other editors are also succeeding at what you want to do in life. And, I hazard, most of Frothers have never even considered the possibility.

Yeah, I am sad to say that I checked it out too.
So, going to a random recent page in that train wreck, I once again found a non-flattering reference to … wait for it… me.
Yeah, I know. It's not all about me. But what the hell do *I* have to do with it?

They are really being pathetic now. For a group of people who only seem to be able to run there mouths it is them who should be worried about a lawsuit. Loads of slanderous comments there that could get them all into deep trouble with the law.

I see there having a go at me again as well. None of them have the first idea how to run a business in the first place so they have lots of room to talk. I have been in business for 13 years, I bet most of them have not held any job for that long assuming most there are over the age of 12 which I seriously doubt by there comments.

All those who post the nasty comments over there are as thick as two short planks and are not worth our time unless someone wants to get a group lawsuit started against them.

John, as you have so often told us, everything is about YOU. I guess that pays even when it isnīt true.

Taking legal action in the UK against an individual for defamation is not easy simple or quick.

It's also likely to be a lose lose option, since the courts can't award money the individual doesn't have.

However, what's the point. Frothers, or another group will continue to sling mud, and you will have to hope it doesn't stick.

Of course it may cause a financial loss, which I believe you have a right of remedy against, and if they are subjecting individuals to abuse contrary to the equality act 2010 then you also might have a case.

Of course, if the preferred action involves visits to the UK, I can of course arrange tours of the Nottingham area to see the wargame highlights.

I thought Id go and see what they where saying for myself. Im not in any way defending anyone , Im sure they would be able to do that if they wished,. Frothers clearly is not to everyones taste, but this is one topic out of 5000 listed…….and this and the other topic posted here arnt even the main thread of what appears to be a flame war between Bill and a few members on there.

Seems to me the more O2 it gets the bigger the flames are.

hmmmm running more than one busibess at a time. That's Brilliant! way to go Bill!

I love (well, actually I do not) the glow of virtue "over there".
I always feel dirty after I visit them.

I would also ask Dear Editor why he bothers to participate in those "discussion"? Do you ENJOY being a punching bag? You are not accomplishing anything.

I agree John, I think Bill just added flames to the fire. Better to be silent and mysterious.

I hate to agree with John of all people, but why is Bill or any of the editors bothering to address any of there childishness?

I stay away from there simply because it is adding fuel to there fire.

As far as the lawsuit goes, someone owns the site and it is for profit. They allowed the forum topic to get beyond all reason so they must support that kind of behavior. Therefor they can be responsible for the actions on there site and at least forced to remove the topics and ban those who participated.

'I see there having a go at me again as well. None of them have the first idea how to run a business in the first place so they have lots of room to talk. I have been in business for 13 years, I bet most of them have not held any job for that long assuming most there are over the age of 12 which I seriously doubt by there comments.'

in all honesty, there are a lot more successful people there (and here)than yourself – wasn't that long ago you were asking for help with your business on here and ignoring all the sensible advice and taking it as personal criticism. I'd not be so quick to judge who is or isn't running a successful business.

"Claire"
"Their"

+1 Alien Surfer.

Great to see some selective threads to the TMP masses.

I would also ask Dear Editor why he bothers to participate in those "discussion"? Do you ENJOY being a punching bag? You are not accomplishing anything.

I suppose because I hope that if I offer answers to their silliness, it might persuade any lurkers that there are at least two sides to the story.

I see there having a go at me again as well.

You dared to say something critical about Frothers before, so now you (and your company) are on their target list forever. And you're American, so some of them will hate you just for that.

There is very little being posted which is hobby related.

If you keep a narrow focus on the one thread being addressed here, perhaps. There's nice eye candy and appears to be some good information in the "Painters Unite! UK Forum" on the "Colonel Marbles' Miniatures Frothzone" board. There are some interesting wargame table projects in "Wargames Misc." on "The War Room" board.

At least this distasteful situation has a silver lining -- I've found some more interesting hobby-related reading.

Did you bother to read my reply fully? I looked at every new post several times a week which would usually give a couple of pages of posts. Lead Adventure for comparison would give you between six to nine pages of new stuff.

Just don't be disappointed when its only the; "what are you listening to", "youtube Time wasters" "weird feeling on TMP" etc posts that get a regular update.

I have seen you talking about me over there alien, so you have no room to try and play the good guy over here.

Sure I have had my share of business failures, some were just horrible bad timing like the same month as the housing crash in 2008, or 3 months before 9/11. Those thing happen. Despite my failures I have never missed paying any bill that was owed on time in those 13 years.

But I do have multiple other successful businesses that I run 7 days a week 24 hours a day without a day off or a vacation. No one over there has that kind of dedication and self discipline. If there is anyone more successful over there then they all must be GW employees which would speak volumes about who were dealing with.

i will still be in business long after that place is shut for good and the mean people have to be content living in there mothers basement.

not playing any good guy – not sure what I personally have said over there, but for you to make sweeping statements as you did was a bit off. Again you've made some comments such as ' No one over there has that kind of dedication and self discipline. If there is anyone more successful over there then they all must be GW employees which would speak volumes about who were dealing with.' and 'i will still be in business long after that place is shut for good and the mean people have to be content living in there mothers basement.'

Well done on your other businesses, I'd like to think if I were any good at running a business or two, I'd do well enough so that I wouldn't have to work 24/7 and could enjoy the fruits of my labour and have a vacation here and there. Each to their own, I personally work to live, not live to work.

and, I've just looked through the thread over there someone started about your company – I've not commented at all.

Please look up the difference between there & their.

me?

No, Lone Gunman!
It's painful to read, urgh.

Ah, Frothers. Good for a laugh, and usually not a lot else. Lead Adventure is orders of magnitude more useful, and a lot friendlier besides.

I would echo the 'why bother to respond?' crowd though. Why add fuel to the fire? Let them discuss what they like, it's their site after all, it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) effect TMP at all.

-Will

Are you happy that you supporting memberships and advertising fees all go directly to The Miniatures Page ?

Will the membership drives (the ones that were aimed at TMP not staff expenses) actually result in a TMP 4.0 ?

Would you be satisfied if you found out the above suddenly became somewhat murky ?

I do not understand the question. If I put up the bucks for a supporting membership I am paying for the privileges of membership. Why should I care what the money goes to.
If I pay for a ticket to a football game do I care if it's for a kicker's salary or stadium rental?

" As they say on Frothers: "The Bleeped texts on TMP are redneck, credulous, unpleasant, venal, mentally challenged Bleeped texts."

"TMP readers are "the General Redneck Public"

LOL! Any chance the author of this is also a TMPer? Soundls like someone we know. :)

Anyway, now that that is said,

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Are you happy that you supporting memberships and advertising fees all go directly to The Miniatures Page ?

You perplex me. Where else should the money go? Supporting Memberships exist to support TMP. Advertising income pays for banners on TMP. So shouldn't the money go to TMP?