"Victrix plastic Carthaginian update" Topic

Just added a few images of the Carthaginian command figures that will be in the Warriors of Carthage boxed set we are working on.

link

Have a look at the news link which goes into a bit more detail and an update on the Roman boxed sets.

Regards,

Steve.

Look very nice. I'll be buying.

But no cavalry? Most of these ancient armies had cavalry, why has Vitrex not released one set of cavalry in plastics? Will they?.

I'm more of a Biblicals Ancients fan, but the releases from Victrix make this to good to pass up.

There have been some great plastics lately, but – Di immortales! – Victrix's detail looks really great.

I'm sure they'll get around to cav soon….and it's not like we don't have options if you're in a hurry. At least we can do some great rank and file in the meantime…

Perhaps they can tell us what they have in mind for cav, though?

I'm really blown away…again…

They look really good. Love the scale armour… and the trumpeter! Will there be many minis in the long tunics?

Beautiful pieces different from the usual!

Steve. Great looking figures – I presume there will be Roman scuta as an option for the Veterans command?

Like BRB it would be 'nice' to see some more of the longer tunics, can never have enough trumpeters to overawe those Romans……

As I recall, 24 each of the Vets and Liby-Phoenicians, 8 Libyan lights and that makes 4 Command?

Garry

Stunning work.

I will be getting these to break out form biblical obsession. Elephants are a must have. Well… the bottom image with trumpet almost looks Assyrian :)

These are sweet! Proper jumbos in plastic would get me to jump into the Punic Wars in 28mm with both feet. Just sayin'.

Excitedly awaiting this for a future Rome v. Carthage matchup :D

Who ever sculpted these did an amazing job!!
Thanks for the update Steve!

These are looking great.

Steve

Not considered Carthaginians before but they look really good.

Any updates on the Greek skirmisher sprues being made available separately?

Victrix! Great job once again!

Really pleased people like the look of the Carthaginians. I think they are going to be a great set. Emel is busily working on the Libyan Spearmen in Lino Thorax armour which are looking very nice.
We have had a surprising amount of people requesting elephants. Just a bit of market research for us so we can do the sums. If people could buy a box of African Elephants to use as Carthaginan, Numidian, Ptolmaic and Roman with option of howdah or not and appropriate crew, Plus Hellenistic/Roman generals, 2 maybe 3 elephants to a box. How many boxes would you buy? (We are thinking about it!)
Also to answer Riquende question we are looking into it at present. Initially Julian did not want to sell them separately due to the problems of separate production and the costs involved. However we are looking at the costs of selling them separately and will know in a few days when we hear back from the factory.

Regards,

Steve.

Re: ellies in a box, number of boxes bought might also depend on if you sell separate Indian vs. African 'phants (I was always under the impression that Africans were smaller, but I have not looked into that). Size just may not be that impportant to most wargamers ("it's how you use them that matters"), so having a combo box probably makes the most sense from a packaging point of view. Just a guess.

I'd probably eventually get two boxes: one for a Carthaginian army and one for a Seleucid army. At separate times though. My rules system generally allows for about 2 per army group.

I think depending on the options available in the kit, and also the price point, I would be looking at 1 or 2 boxes to begin with.

Steve

I'd buy two or three boxes of elephants. I need twelve to play everything up to and including Zama, and I got to seven before running out of Companion Miniatures' Numidian nellies. I'll be revisiting that project once I finish the next ten or so legions of pesky Romans…

Some fine design work there indeed.

It seems current releases and near releases are covering the hoplite period with a Western Mediterranean sphere.

Elephants would be nice but is their military use within the period ubiquitous enough to warrant commercial production. Indeed is anyone out there already making elephant models that could be adapted with a small sprue kit and could any of the figures already in the boxes fit in such a howdah?

I think I'd go for Carthaginians based on the figures above. On that basis, I'd buy 1 or 2 boxes of nellies. I'd want them to stylistically match the rest of the army (on the basis that cavalry and spanish or suchlike would also come out at some stage..)

However, would you not need to divide into Carthaginian/Numidian/(poss Egyptian) and Others based on the use of the smaller Atlas Mountain Elephant by the former and the bigger Indian used by the latter?

Tim

The first set could not include the smaller African and larger Indian Elephant in the same box. The costs and lack of pose variety that would ensue would not be viable.
That is why it would be restricted to the smaller African Elephant. Carthage, Numidia and Egypt used the African Elephant and that fits in with what we are doing at present. Crew changes would not be a problem.
The one or two box purchase seems to be the general consensus at present which could be a big issue. Lots of number crunching would need to be done to work out part count versus cost and how many would need to be sold, direct, retail and wholesale to make the money back. These things are not cheap.

Steve.

Even though it doesn't fit in with your present ranges I think the larger elephant would be a safer business proposition in plastic. You could do a oouple of elephants, only one howdah and a variety of bottom halves of figures in kilts, some sitting on the elephant and some standing for the howdah. Then top halves of figures for Greeks/Macedonians, Sassanids, Indians, even Muslim Turks. Throw in a couple of parasols, maybe. This would considerably extend the useage of the elephants. Only the top halves of the bodies would be army specific and even there you could have some common torsos with different heads/helmets. Given the number of spare parts you see these days on many plastic sprues. You could have quite a variety, certainly enough to populate your elephants with any army types you choose.

If one could do two Africans nellies in a box, with four different halves total, that would give 4 potential different nellie poses, which would be rather cool…

Ordered some skirmishers, thanks!

On the subject of elephants, despite not really wanting them I'd still get a box because hey, elephants. I also think it'd make a great centrepiece to an army.

I'd get a box even if it didn't have Roman parts and convert, but I'd be much happier if I didn't have to do that…

Probably no more than six heffalumps here. So, what ever that works out to in boxes.

The appeal of plastic elephants is to me two fold. First they hopefully would cost less than metal or resin. Second and almost more importantly they could be modeled in proper scale and interesting poses. A multi-part injecting molded plastic kit is easier to assemble than metal or resin, and usually allows for better poses etc through breaking down into sub-assemblies.