"Late 16th century Hungarians" Topic
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Druzhina | 13 Jul 2014 4:10 a.m. PST |
Here are some contemporary, late 16th century, images of Hungarians: Hungarian Infantry, 16th century, after Aurél Richter Hungarian with maces, 16th century, after Aurél Richter Statuette of a Gallant Hungarian rider, 16th century Hungarian mounted bagpiper, 16th century Duel between Hungarian Lieutenant and Turkish Bey, 16th century Ferdinand of Tyrol in Hungarian Tournament attire, 16th century Sebastian Thokoly's miniature from a manuscript, 1572 Hungarian Hussar of the sixteenth century, by Jost Amman Hungarian cavalry by Hans Weigel, 1577 Brenhidai Huszár Péter, late 16th century
Does anyone have any info on authors or more precise date for those that lack this? MIRROR SITE Illustrations of Hungarian Costume & Soldiers Druzhina Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers |
Daniel S | 13 Jul 2014 4:39 a.m. PST |
This is one of the photos of Ferdinands "White" hussar armour that I took during my visit to the Hofjagd-und Rüstkammer in Wien earlier this year. It shows just how the shield used by the hussars used the the strongly curved wing shape to provide excellent protection.
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KTravlos | 13 Jul 2014 8:14 a.m. PST |
Can you even call it a shield? It really looks like armor. How easy would it be to manipulate it? |
Kadrinazi | 13 Jul 2014 10:20 a.m. PST |
16th century Hungarians by Johann Bussemacher: link Hungarian (top) and Wallachian (bottom) riders by Abraham de Bruyn: link |
AWuuuu | 13 Jul 2014 11:14 a.m. PST |
It looks like armor but was made from ligher materials than steel armor. |
Druzhina | 13 Jul 2014 7:39 p.m. PST |
Thanks Daniel, I'm assuming that the costume Ferdinand of Tyrol's tournaments wasn't far removed from the real thing? Is the red shield in the background a version with an arm holding a 2-bladed sword?
Hungarian-style Shield Date: ca. 1500–1550 Metmusem 49.57.1 and in A soldier with lance and shield from the Morea, by Melchior Lorck,1581 mirror: A soldier with lance and shield from the Morea, by Melchior Lorck,1581 Thanks Kadrinazi. Johann Bussemacher was active c.1580 – 1613. Jost Amman's version of a pair of Hungarian cavalrymen,1578 is probably earlier. Are there even earlier versions? Abraham de Bruyn's 'Illustrations de Diversarum gentium armatura equestris. Ubi fere Europae, Asiae atque Africae equitandi ratio propria ewpresaa est' is probably collected from various sources. For example his emissary:
is probably based on a Deli, which signifies fool-hardy in Nicolas de Nicolay's Peregrinations faites en Turquie, 1577mirror: Illustrations of Ottoman Soldiers from Nicolas de Nicolay's Peregrinations faites en Turquie, 1577 Druzhina Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers
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Daniel S | 14 Jul 2014 4:58 a.m. PST |
The red shield has a wing on it:
My impression is that Ferdinand's tournament clothing closely mimics the Hungarian style but that the clothes in particular could have been adjusted a bit to make a more impressive show. At least one garment seem to be missing since both the white overcoat and the silver embroidered coat worn under it leave much of the arm exposed. |
marco56 | 14 Jul 2014 5:14 p.m. PST |
They had some really weird headgear back then. Mark |
Druzhina | 14 Jul 2014 9:59 p.m. PST |
A shield with a winged talon also appears in A Spahi, by Melchior Lorck & the Knotel Ottoman Spahi based on Melchior Lorck --------- The metmuseum's note for their Hungarian shield:
This wing-shaped shield and others like it in the Metropolitan Museum's collection (42.50.29, .30), with the distinctive upward-sweeping back edge, were the characteristic light-cavalry shields of Hungary. During the sixteenth century, the style was adopted across much of eastern Europe by both Christian and Islamic horsemen. The shield's elongated upper edge was designed to defend the back of the head and neck against cuts from a saber, the preferred cavalry weapon in that region. This shield is painted on its exterior with the double-bladed sword of the prophet Muhammad and on its interior with the Crucifix and instruments of the Passion. This unusual mix of Islamic and Christian symbols suggests that the shield was used in a tournament by a Christian warrior dressed in Muslim fashion. In these "Hungarian style" tournaments, the participants wore Hungarian and Turkish costumes and used sabers to strike off feathers attached to their opponents' helmets and to the apex of their painted shields. Even at a time when Turkish armies were a constant threat to eastern Europe, their costumes and tactics were imitated by their foes. This may explain the plume on the shield in the woodcut of Ferdinand of Tyrol and on those by Melchior Lorck, which I have not seen in other pictures of Ottomans. ----------- A Hungarian hussar labeled Vulgaris Hungarus by Theodor de Bry also appears in Abraham de Bruyn's book. Which is earlier? Is it just coincidence that the Hungarian Hussar by Jost Amman is also left-handed? ----------- For armoured Hungarians, here are 2 tombs of Hungarian Nobles of the 1590s Druzhina Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers |
Druzhina | 16 Jul 2014 6:12 a.m. PST |
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