Sundance | 04 Jul 2014 7:27 a.m. PST |
link Do we have to ground our miniatures too? |
Jemima Fawr | 04 Jul 2014 8:21 a.m. PST |
F-35A – not F-35, which implies all three marks. |
David Manley | 04 Jul 2014 10:03 a.m. PST |
Yes, hopefully the Bs will be on their way across the pond for Fairford, if they are not here already (I don't know if they made it across for the QE naming ceremony, but I suspect not as it would have been all over the news) |
Doms Decals | 04 Jul 2014 10:13 a.m. PST |
AFAIK the grounding affects the B as well – it seems to be the reason the QE flypast was cancelled, and they've said they're hopeful of getting them to Fairford and Farnborough, but not certain. |
David Manley | 04 Jul 2014 1:21 p.m. PST |
Apparently Bs and Cs are flying, or so I was told. Could be wrong though. |
GarrisonMiniatures | 04 Jul 2014 3:05 p.m. PST |
Tried to post one on this earlier but it kept timing out on me. Mainly because I wanted to say 'I mean, really, who would trust an engine built by a Pratt.' But a gliche meant I couldn't post and I suppose I've missed my chance now. |
Mako11 | 05 Jul 2014 3:54 p.m. PST |
Not an issue for me, since no one produces the F-35, or the F-22 for that matter, in 1/600th scale, in metal, sadly. But yes, one must ground them, or roll on the "dangerous events table" if their commander/pilots choose to ignore the warnings, with at least a 10% chance of a loss of the aircraft. |
David Manley | 05 Jul 2014 10:13 p.m. PST |
'I mean, really, who would trust an engine built by a Pratt.' Especially when you could have had a Roller :) |
Jemima Fawr | 06 Jul 2014 10:34 a.m. PST |
More like the 'Nothing Happens Table' from Paranoia. Yet again, this is a non-story regarding standard operating procedure in all aircraft fleets when dealing with a technical failure of unknown origin. For example; the grounding of virtually all RAF fast jets following the accidental and fatal ground-ejection of a Red Arrows pilot last year or the grounding of most of Israel's F-16 fleet due to engine failure for much of 2012. These fleet-groundings happens all the time and are now far more frequent in our risk-averse world. If there is operational necessity, some aircraft will be kept flying (e.g. in the example above, the UK's QRA and aircraft involved in Afghanistan ops kept flying while everyone else was grounded), but in the F-35's case, it isn't operational yet, so they all get grounded while the cause is investigated. Nothing to see here (again). |
Deadone | 06 Jul 2014 6:01 p.m. PST |
Totally agree with R Mark Davies. This is a non-story. |
Charlie 12 | 06 Jul 2014 8:44 p.m. PST |
Absolutely. Normal SOP. Better to err on the side of caution. |
Doms Decals | 07 Jul 2014 2:57 a.m. PST |
Apart from anything else, crashing six prototypes and half of the first production run was standard in the 1950s, but is kind of frowned upon now
. ;-) |
Jemima Fawr | 07 Jul 2014 7:15 a.m. PST |
Absolutely. It's a pain in the arse and ends up costing more money but is absolutely not unusual for any fast jet type, let alone a brand-new type that's still in the 'working out the bugs' phase. It's only news because it suits a certain political objective to make it news. As for crashing large numbers of a single type: I remember seeing RAF Jaguar OCU course photos in the 1980s, where virtually everyone in the photo was dead! |
Deadone | 07 Jul 2014 4:00 p.m. PST |
Older jets used to have anywhere up to 33% loss rates in terms of accidents especially the really early ones ala Gloster Meteor or anything flying off a carrier. This has improved dramatically over the years. However accidents are still common – remember these are machines and pilots being put under a lot of stress so margin of error is minimal. It's not like a B777 flying nice and casual. |