lou passejaire | 28 Jun 2014 3:41 a.m. PST |
I'm planning of building some landing crafts for some 13 DBLE legionnaires and 342 CCC Hotchkiss H39 landing in Bjerkvik . 1 LCM mk1 and 2 MLC were used for the landing of 3 H39 Tanks and 4 LCA carried each a section of legionnaires i'm looking for some drawings of the Motor landing craft (MCL) . I have not been able to find something Huh? it's( quite) easy to find drawings of XVIIIth century ships
less easy to find WW2 drawings of the first landing boats used succesfully ? Confused |
Dye4minis | 28 Jun 2014 4:45 a.m. PST |
Here you go: "Allied Landing Craft of World War Two". Naval Institute Press ISBN: 0-87021-064-5, but published in 1985 by Arms and Armour Press. "Fourth Printing in 1989" so there should be quite a few copies out there. The book is loaded with both scale line drawings, photos and details! Based from ONI 226- Allied Landing Craft and Ships which was "designed to facilitate recognition of and to make available pertinent data regarding the characteristics of United States and British vessels which may engage in amphibious operations". It has your LCA(HR), `LCM mk 1 and 2 in it. Hope this helps. v/r Tom |
War In 15MM | 28 Jun 2014 7:43 a.m. PST |
I agree with Tom. It's the best book I found on Allied landing craft. |
Dye4minis | 28 Jun 2014 8:17 a.m. PST |
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Doms Decals | 28 Jun 2014 10:12 a.m. PST |
I don't recall it having what he wants though – I'm sure I have a copy in the spare room somewhere, and it starts with the LCM 1 (and I seem to recall not even a full 3-view on that) – nothing on the earlier Motor Landing Craft. |
Dye4minis | 28 Jun 2014 11:27 a.m. PST |
Hi, Dom. Mine shows a 2 view drawing with dimensions. I'd quote the page number but just noticed that there are none! The LCA shows the configuration with Hedgerow launchers installed. There does not to be any order they are presented, but I assure you that they are in there. Best Tom |
lou passejaire | 06 Jul 2014 10:14 a.m. PST |
thanks all i have found drawings of LCA and LCM mk1 I have found a photo of a MLC , and it seem's quite the same as the LCM mk1 . work in progress |
Doms Decals | 06 Jul 2014 12:24 p.m. PST |
Check the serial number on it – LCM 1s were designated "Mechanised Landing Craft" initially, so their serial numbers started MLC until they were redesignated to fit with the US system. Therefore your photo might look like an LCM 1 because, umm, it's an LCM 1
. ;-) MLC 20 was the lowest numbered LCM 1 that I know of, so if your photo is serial number 1 to 19, you're all good, if it's 20, not so much
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lou passejaire | 07 Jul 2014 10:52 a.m. PST |
no serial number
but i assume that it's a MCL, as there were 6 MCL used in norway and only 1 LCM mk1 . 7 presumed lost during operations at Narvik, Norway between May 6th and 27th, 1940 (Note: with thanks to Russell J Atkinson (26 Nov 2010) – Bernard Fergusson "The Watery Maze", The London Gazette "Operations in Norway" and LEH Maund "Assault from the Sea" all state that only one LCM(1) was used in the 1940 Narvik operations, namely "MLC20" a 1938 Thornycroft design. The other tank landing craft were 1926-1929 designed MLC (Motor Landing Craft) designed by J. Samuel White Company. Six of them were used in total.) and there are some minor differences between this pic and those of the firsts LCM that i have seen |
Doms Decals | 07 Jul 2014 12:46 p.m. PST |
From what I've read, only three Hotchkisses were landed, so that gives you a two out of three chance
. ;-) That said, I agree with you on appearance – in particular I can't recall seeing even the earliest LCM 1 photos having that curved cutout to the superstructure sides, and the overall dimensions were very similar – MLC 10 type 13 x 3.6 m, while MLC 20 was 13.6 x 4.3. So yep, I think you have your boat
. :-) |
ptdockyard | 22 Aug 2014 2:32 p.m. PST |
I have been digging for ten years for drawings of the indigenous FRENCH LCT design that was reportedly built in Lorient in 1935. Some accounts say that three were built and there was a plan to use them for a raid behind German lines on the Channel during the Battle of France. |
lou passejaire | 23 Aug 2014 3:52 a.m. PST |
ptdockyard, it seem's that if you can't get some informations from ATF40 forum, there is no source for the information . |
ptdockyard | 23 Aug 2014 2:01 p.m. PST |
I even wrote the Lorient dockyard with the help of a French friend. The answer came back that the drawings were probably lost when the port was bombed by the USAAF in 1943. Dave |