Tango01 | 26 Jun 2014 3:19 p.m. PST |
Have Effectively Merged Into One Sprawling Conflict. link "The wars in Iraq and Syria have effectively merged into one sprawling conflict, especially in light of the massive blitz across northern and central Iraq by militant group ISIS and its affiliates. The multi-country crisis has taken on increasing complexity as Iraq and Syria fragment along sectarian and ethnic lines. To make sense of this ongoing crisis, Twitter user @deSyracurse has put together a fascinating and impressively granular map of the spreading chaos throughout the two countries
" Full article here link Amicalement Armand |
SouthernPhantom | 26 Jun 2014 6:45 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the article, Tango. I should have seen this coming months ago. It was clear quite a while ago that, while Syria was holding its urban west pretty handily, the east was almost uniformly rebel-held. I guess it was only a matter of time before things spilled over
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Tango01 | 26 Jun 2014 11:31 p.m. PST |
A votre service mon ami. (smile) Agree with you. Amicalement Armand |
GarrisonMiniatures | 27 Jun 2014 8:02 a.m. PST |
Assyrians? They still around? |
Legion 4 | 27 Jun 2014 8:20 a.m. PST |
Assyrians = Kurds, Persans = Iranians, Iraqis = Mesopotamians and/or Babylonians, etc., etc.
As I said on another post, ISIS, AQ, etc. don't really recognize borders. And many of the countries in the region are "artificial". Created after WWI, etc. by European powers, etc.
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Jcfrog | 27 Jun 2014 10:47 a.m. PST |
Happy neocons and bushman. As even for the recent laws by the Iraqi "democratic government" on marriage and women show the amount of "progress"(one will be happy to know that thanks to this wonderful advance towrds the 20th century now they cqan marry at 8!). What a waste of life and money. |
Legion 4 | 28 Jun 2014 9:11 a.m. PST |
Yes, unfortunately it appears many in the islamic/moslem world are living very much in the past
like the 15th Century. Let alone the 20th Century in the 21st
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Maxshadow | 28 Jun 2014 4:19 p.m. PST |
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Tango01 | 28 Jun 2014 11:14 p.m. PST |
A votre service mon cher ami!. (smile). Amicalement Armand |
Bangorstu | 29 Jun 2014 4:03 a.m. PST |
Assyrians are NOT Kurds. They're a separate ethnic group also called Aramaics and Chaldeans. I think they're mostly Chritians and hence are suffering a lot in the current dust-up. Still several hudnred thousand of them in Iraq though. |
Legion 4 | 29 Jun 2014 9:59 a.m. PST |
Yes, the Kurds are in some regions that were traditionally considered "Assyrian", centuries ago. And from what I understand they consider themselves "brothers" somewhat. But there seems to be a lot of bad-blood between the two as well, based on past histories. The Kurds are mostly a Sunni sect
Where the most Assyrians are primarily Christian. However, some believe there are very few Assyrians left. Most live out side of their ancestorial region throughout the world. I think the US has about 400000. I've heard the analogy made as the Assyrians are like the American Indians as they were some of the first to occupy their respective regions. But regardless generally they are a minority in the region which is primarily considered Kurd
Sorry if I was inaccurate with my assumptions
But in most cases when dealing with that region, for better or worse the outside governments talk to the Kurds
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Legion 4 | 29 Jun 2014 2:48 p.m. PST |
After a little research, and going deeper into the subject, the rest of the story so to speak
I learned something about the Assyrians and the Kurds – link
link And the Kurds Turks, Assyrians, Armenians etc.
link And if you don't know .. the region has been a mess for a very, very, very, long time. And it appears religion is at the heart of it all
I knew of the Turk genocide of the Armenians [also Christians]
but knew little about the Assyrian-Turk interactions
As we know, it appears the ethnic and religious intolerance is a state of normality in the region. And when you go deeper you find even more ethicities being cleansed by
are you ready ? moslems ! |
Tango01 | 29 Jun 2014 10:27 p.m. PST |
Many thanks for share my friend. Amicalement Armand |
Legion 4 | 30 Jun 2014 8:02 a.m. PST |
Well being far from perfect, but I do try to back my statements with fact
however, sometimes what I had read or heard before was not completely accurate. So hence if I'm wrong I like to find out
as I said
the rest of the story
or hopefully the truth
The Turks murdering massive amounts of Christian Assyrians, Armenians, Greeks, etc. in late the 1800s, during and after WWI with other moslems' [Arabs, Kurds, etc.] help is IMO borders on what the Nazis did in WWII with Jews, Gypsies, etc.
Hitler even said something about no one noticed the Turk genocides of the Armenians, etc., so no one will care about the genocide of Jews, etc.
Turkey has literally been getting away with murder for many decades in the past. And it appears to go un-noticed by all but the the ethnicities that were cleansed
VERY, Very sad
Shame on the West for ignoring such barbarism that occured not so very long ago
Again, because the Turks[and others] are muslims and their victims were Christian
Being Christian, of just being a humane, I find this unfathomable
happening not 100's of years ago, but a just over 100 years ago and continuing through out the 20th and even 21st Centuries
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PMC317 | 05 Jul 2014 6:53 a.m. PST |
I believe the quote from Hitler is "Who remembers the Armenians?" The Christians in the middle east have suffered enormously over the last 70 years or so, and most particularly in the wake of the rise of Wahhabi Islam. In 2003-04, for example, the British Army stood by and watched as the Christians were driven out of Basra. The Christians in Syria are by and large supporting Assad, because he at least represents a government who doesn't care about your religion, so long as you vote for them and keep your politics Ba'athist. And so on and so on. |
Legion 4 | 05 Jul 2014 2:13 p.m. PST |
As I said, Very, very sad
and so it continues
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Last Hussar | 05 Jul 2014 5:08 p.m. PST |
Iraq used to have synagogues and churches, but the government that allowed them was over thrown. |
Chortle | 05 Jul 2014 9:40 p.m. PST |
I knew of the Turk genocide of the Armenians [also Christians]
but knew little about the Assyrian-Turk interactions
As we know, it appears the ethnic and religious intolerance is a state of normality in the region. And when you go deeper you find even more ethicities being cleansed by
are you ready ? moslems ! The Young Turks and the Committee for Union and Progress weren't led by Turks. The west didn't ignore the Armenian Genocide. It was covered in newspapers extensively at the time. It is worth going back and reading articles and letters to the editor of the Times. However, if the press doesn't bring up the incidents again, they "go down the memory hole" (as George Orwell said.) WW2 was supposed to be about liberating people from tyranny but somehow the channel changed when the Iron curtain was allowed to drop across Europe. Same deal with atrocities against Christians in the ME and Africa. If it isn't kept in public consciousness it didn't happen. The media has a big influence in shaping events. |
Legion 4 | 06 Jul 2014 8:35 a.m. PST |
Good point Last Hussar
but that was obviously an unintentional consequence
like many other events that happened after the fall of Saddam
I consider the US made a strategic error invading Iraq for a 2nd time. Along with supplying the Muj during the USSR occupation. IMO 2 events (among others) that very much shaped what we see is occurring in those regions now
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Legion 4 | 06 Jul 2014 8:44 a.m. PST |
Chortle, Regardless who started it
and based on what I read in those links
I beleive my comments were accurate
However, it was moslems in any event
And as far as I'm concerned, whether the media dropped coverage or not, [In the links it mentioned even in as late as 2004 the media was reluctant to mention these heinous acts]it was and is a tragety for those Christians cleansed and humanity in general
As I said, as horrible as what Hitler and the Nazis did in WWII. |
Chortle | 06 Jul 2014 10:04 a.m. PST |
Legion 4, they were certainly the foot troops. But others directed the action and reaped the rewards. The Armenians left a hole in the Ottoman empire – they had been artisans, clerks, businessmen. Who stepped into the gap? Media ownership is critical. With ownership you set the agenda and the limits of debate (by who you invite to speak as "opposition".) I have read letters from the Times (of London) from 1915 bemoaning the fact that publishing houses were in very few hands and this meant some issues were never taken up, and therefore dropped "down the memory hole". |
Legion 4 | 06 Jul 2014 1:00 p.m. PST |
Yes, I believe you are correct. The genocide of the Armenians, Assyrians and other Christians by the Ottoman Turks was for many reasons was very bad for the empire. The same could be said about the genocide of the Jews in Germany during WWII
And yes, if anyone watches the various news, network or cable, reads news papers, magazines, etc., very often you get conflicting stories and/or opinions. Or some cover stories that others don't
It's the nature of the media
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