| Redcoat 55 | 25 Jun 2014 7:40 p.m. PST |
Hello all, I thought I saw a post from John the OFM that orange was considered a shade of red so this regiment actually had orange coat tail turnbacks instead of red? Can someone please verify? Also Hessian sergeant and officer details are a bit confusing to me. It looks like officers had mixed metal. I am assuming the men had brass buttons. What color were the buttons of the officers and sergeants? Did the officers have gold hat trim, silver gorgets, and alternating silver/red sashes? Did the sergeants have silver hat trim and lace? What about their sash? Thank you in advance. Redcoat 55 |
| French Wargame Holidays | 25 Jun 2014 8:33 p.m. PST |
|
 DWilliams  | 26 Jun 2014 9:36 a.m. PST |
Here is Don Troiani's depiction of the Lossbergers at Trenton:
source: link |
| Graf Bretlach | 26 Jun 2014 10:46 a.m. PST |
It looks certain it is orange facings all round, from that contemporary painting and Rudolf Witzel's book on the Hessians also has orange all round. |
| Winston Smith | 26 Jun 2014 1:41 p.m. PST |
The cloth back of the fusilier cap looks like it is blue. |
| Winston Smith | 26 Jun 2014 1:44 p.m. PST |
Hessian sashes are silver and red mixed. |
| John the OFM | 26 Jun 2014 6:39 p.m. PST |
There are some Hessian units with "crimson" facings. Crimson is certainly a "shade of red", and I would make the turnbacks crimson as well.
When the facings (collar (if any), lapels (if any) or cuffs) are not a shade of red, then the turnbacks are red. Which is what makes "getting it right" so much fun. 
Let's face it. No one but the guy who paints them really cares. If your buddies come over to play in the AWI games where you supply the figures, are they going to sniff and bitch? Hell no. Because they will supply all the figures for Franco Prussian War or SYW or ACW and you do not have to paint anything. I hazarded a guess a few years ago about the "shade of red" business, based on a print that showed orange turnnbacks.
I was congratulated on catching this by our resident Hessian expert, Rsulentic. Now, I am flumoxxed by the green flags in Troiani's painting. OMG!
If I had hand-painted my Alt von Lossberg flags, I would be loathe to change them. However, since they are commercial, all bets are off.
I must look into this further! |
| John the OFM | 26 Jun 2014 6:52 p.m. PST |
There are some Hessian units with "crimson" facings. Crimson is certainly a "shade of red", and I would make the turnbacks crimson as well.
When the facings (collar (if any), lapels (if any) or cuffs) are not a shade of red, then the turnbacks are red. Which is what makes "getting it right" so much fun.
Let's face it. No one but the guy who paints them really cares. If your buddies cone over to play in the AWI games where you supply the figures, are they going to sniff and botch? Hell no. because they will supply all the figures for Franco Prussian War or SYW and you do not have to paint anything. I hazarded a guess a few years ago about the "shade of red" business, based on a print that showed orange turnnbacks.
I was congratulated on catching this by our resident Hessian expert, Rsulentic. Now, I am flumoxxed by the green flags in Troiani's painting. OMG!
If I had hand-painted my Alt von Lossberg flags, I would be loathe to change them. However, since they are commercial, all bets are off.
I must look into this further! |
| Supercilius Maximus | 26 Jun 2014 11:19 p.m. PST |
Troiani's painting seems to show a mix of regiments – there are certainly fusiliers from Lossberg, but there are also grenadiers, officers and drummers from Rall (the ones with no lapels). Presumably the man falling off the horse is supposed to be Rall, and I would suggest that the green flags are from his regiment as well. |
| Redcoat 55 | 27 Jun 2014 9:21 p.m. PST |
So gold hat trim for the officers with gold buttons and silver gorget and silver/red sash. Does anyone know if the sergeants would have the same sash? silver buttons? gold? Brass? |
| French Wargame Holidays | 28 Jun 2014 3:34 a.m. PST |
Ok, from two different sources black tricorne with broad scalloped gold lace ( unlike the British the hessian officers were not permitted to remove their hat lace)
white neck stock ( one source has black)
Silver gorget
Silver buttons
silver aiguillette on the right shoulder
no turnbacks
sash was of silver silk shot with red flecks. Worn around the waist, under the coat
Prussian style spontoon, white staff
Officers cane
Silver sword knot with red lace mixed tassels, Brass handle on short sword in a black scabbard
Buff gloves NCOs
no shoulder straps
Silver laced cuffs ( no lace other source)
yellowish leather gloves
Red and white sabre tassel, brass short sabre
Black Nco cane
silver buttons,
Prussian style pike, white staff (3 senior NCOs the reminder the fusil) Drummer
Drum barrels were of polished brass and were decorated with the Hessian lion surrounded by a laurel wreath with a crown above. The Hessian lion was striped red and white with a red tongue on a royal blue background. The drum cords were white and, for this regiment, the rim was a pattern of alternating red and white diagonal stripes. Hope that helps standard staff was black. |
| Redcoat 55 | 30 Jun 2014 2:47 p.m. PST |
Thank you Bluewillow! The privates had brass buttons right? |
| andygamer | 30 Jun 2014 5:34 p.m. PST |
Yes, the men's coat buttons were brass. And I've read (for the Prussians at any rate) that all gaiter buttons were brass even for the "silver metal regiments" because it was harder-wearing than tin. Here's Mollo's version of their fusilier cap:
flic.kr/p/71v3py |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
