"War Prime - New 28mm Wargame" Topic

Hey guys, has anyone heard of War Prime?

Its a new 28mm wargame that comes with plastic miniatures at an affordable price. The rules are not out yet, but from its style i am going to guess it will be similar to 40k. The kickstarter is launching on tuesday (june 24th) and you can find out more about it on warprime.com.

I am feeling cautiously optimistic about this one, what do you guys think?

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warprime.blogspot.co.uk

The original link didn't work :(

It doesn't look bad but it is obviously aimed at the 40k market with dreadnoughts and the artwork looking remarkably 'Ultramarines'. The concept art is good but the renders are slightly off when it comes to a comparison between render and concept… and it is a shame because the concept looks much more bad-ass.

I wish him luck. He's gonna need it….

This is obviously (as stated by the creator) a challenge to GW/40K. For that alone, I would dump all kinds of money into this… Ten to fifteen years ago when I still had some wavering interest in the 40K/space-fantasy universe concept (rather burnt out now). Still, I want to see this succeed, IF the miniatures are really going to be priced much different than the current 'boutique' trend in gaming… and of a higher quality than Mantic…

Oops didnt see this topic since I checked the Crowdfund section instead of the 28mm section

Anyways its a little funny that this game pops up around the same time as Fallen Frontiers which had some pretty "Space Marine Esque" minis too

However I must admit, I think I'm getting a much more "Warzone Mutant Chronicles" vibe from this

Plus, their alien races actually look kind of unique. Sure this "lizard" looking guy seems to be a possible proxy for orks, but it's still quite distinct

IF the miniatures are really going to be priced much different than the current 'boutique' trend in gaming… and of a higher quality than Mantic…

I agree. I am heavily disappointed that there is a lack of "Affordable Hard Plastic" KS going on while theres a million KS for metal/resin minis that cost as much as all the other metal/resin minis. And some of the ones that do show up are kind of lackluster (the "totally not warhammer empire" minis for example). I'm still crossing my fingers for 28mm sci fi catgirl soldiers!

I am heavily disappointed that there is a lack of "Affordable Hard Plastic" KS going on while theres a million KS for metal/resin minis that cost as much as all the other metal/resin minis.

You do know that the initial-startup costs for hard plastic are an order of magnitude greater than resin or metal, and that's for a single sprue/mold. On a rough order of $10,000 USD for a single sprue for metal, versus ~$1,000 for a resin or metal spin-caster mold (and I believe that $1 USDk is high).

Robotech Tactics went hard plastic for their models, and each Valkyrie is 3-5 sprues. Each Destroid is 2 sprues. I have no clue how many sprues the Monster MkII will take (many, that thing is HUGE).

So any KS attempting to do injection-molded plastics will need to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the same size range that would only take $10 USDk for resin/metal production.

You do know that the initial-startup costs for hard plastic are an order of magnitude greater than resin or metal, and that's for a single sprue/mold. On a rough order of $10,000 USD USD for a single sprue for metal, versus ~$1,000 for a resin or metal spin-caster mold (and I believe that $1 USD USDk is high).

I do know that

Thats why I think KS is a great vehicle to fund for plastics. Instead of going "oh gee, I hope people buy enough plastics to cover the costs", people can find out whether it is feasible to do so. And seeing that big projects do get hundreds of thousands, I'm surprised that the Hard Plastic industry isn't taking advantage of crowdfunding more aside from a few. Even mantic seems pretty timid of hard plastics these days

So i have been talking to the devs for a few days now, and i am going to give my 2 cents on the matter.

As many have mentioned, right now the game looks like a bland 40k-clone, so i thought that the rules might be what would make this game different. After having read the rules however, i don't see what this game has going for it that the other hundreds of similar sci-fi games out there don't have. At the same time the devs seem to be very new to wargaming, and i am not sure that they know much about the wargaming scene or understand the difficulties the difficulties of wargaming as a business.

Thus they are going to have to show something really impressive in this kickstarter to convince me that this is more than just another generic sci-fi wargame.

For those of you interested in the rules, i was asked not to show them in public, but right now the rules are almost a carbon-copy of the "aegis" house-rules. These were spawned from a "fixing-40k" thread on dakka 1-2 months ago: link

OnePageAnon- I totally agree. I'm always on the lookout for new sci-fi wargames, but this looks pretty generic, even if the prices are good.

Jakethedog: The new stuff coming for Mantic's Deadzone next month will be mostly hard plastic. Hard plastic Enforcers, (replacing the restic models), and new hard plastic Forge Fathers. The other new faction, Asterians, will still be restic, though. :(

@Jake: the crazy-successful KS have all had excellent IP/imagery to work with. You'd need something as awesome as Robotech/Macross, or the entire Reaper minis line to raise sufficient $$ in the KS to make your totally-not-40k 28mm mass scifi battles game fund the costs of the molds.

Based on a read through of the KS page, this is what my impression of the project is… Fringe employee of the video game industry trying to figure out how to make a living in a saturated industry thinks he has found a moneymaking niche, I.E, 40k knockoffs at a somewhat lower price than GW. Said individual gathers a group of other individuals who are also very loosely connected to the video game industry, mostly based in the fact that they will work for promises, not money. Being a Kickstarter enthusiast, individual 1 realizes that most slick mini campaigns get funded, if not overfunded and he thinks he is gonna hit it big. Not knowing the history of tabletop games, he does not realize that this hobby is littered with the corpses of bigger and much better projects. So he is flogging a product with no passion, and no original ideas to one of the most fickle niche markets I have ever seen. In short, he might get funded, I've seen worse things pull it off, but the project will ultimately fail. If this guy had any vision at all, he'd be a core employee of the video game industry. Not a peon floating around the underpaid edges of said industry. But that is just my impression. I could be wrong… Might be the best darn game ever to grace a table. I publicly offer to eat the bug of your choice if so, but it might be.

Having looked at the artwork, one certainly cannot suggest "needs more skulz"…

John T