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smallfavour12 Jun 2014 5:55 a.m. PST

Hello
I'm attempting a Montlhery French army project while someone else I know is starting the Burgundians. For the archers, I understand that they used quivers by their sides, and was wondering if anyone knew a supplier who could provide some for a 28mm scale. For reference if you have Ian heath's armies of the middle ages vol 1, on pg 147, that's what i'm after. Or roughly speaking something similar to this:

picture

I'm tried TAG and other suppliers but I'm having no luck.
Thank you in advance.

IGWARG1 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian12 Jun 2014 6:17 a.m. PST

Essex, Mirliton and 1st Corps supply equipment. Check them out.

See if any of your friends have plastic Warlord, Wargames Factory or even GW humans. They have lots of round quivers on their sprues and most wargamers assemble them for close combat. So there should be extras.

SJDonovan12 Jun 2014 6:38 a.m. PST

Reaper sells quivers and bows: link

Great War Ace12 Jun 2014 6:41 a.m. PST

Most archers did not use quivers in battle array. English archers shoved sheaves of arrows in the ground beside them. Quivers get in the way when melee comes. So you don't actually have to model quivers on the figure per se. If you're into fancy basing details, you could model the arrows upright, sticking out of the meadow beside the figure.

(a note about the illustration in the OP: the bow isn't bent in the shooting position – which always bugs the snot out of me when I see it – and, it is a recurve, so not a longbow at all. This would mean Italian equipment, not Western European….)

smallfavour12 Jun 2014 6:51 a.m. PST

Thank you all for the quick replies, I shall see what other people suggest, but i'm tempted by the essex ones, hopefully they're similar in size.
In regards to the picture Great War Ace, it's just a quick illustration of what I meant, I probably will put a few with arrows in the ground, but I want to make them look slightly different to my opposition as well as keeping to what i've read the franc archers were equipped with.

Gamesman612 Jun 2014 10:52 a.m. PST

There is very little evidence for arrows being stuck in the ground, stopping to stick a sheaf of 24 arrows in to the ground being time consuming, points coming off etc. There are some pictures of it. More common, in illustrations are soft quivers/arrow bags, worn in different configurations and in girdle knots that can hold a full sheaf. My farther and I wrote a paper dealing with conclusions based upon our research which was Published in the Royal Armouries Journal. You can read it here,
PDF link

There are also a number of steamed limbed yew bows, or with steamed tips and while often seen in an Italian context a number are known shown in Burgundian sources…

Duc de Gueldres16 Jun 2014 11:23 a.m. PST

My spare Quivers come from Front Rank.
Good stuff.

Patrice16 Jun 2014 4:43 p.m. PST

I believe that 15th century bowmen did not use such "Robin-Hood-style" quivers, but larger arrow-bags made from cloth (hemp or linen)?

Gamesman625 Jun 2014 9:27 a.m. PST

Reference the PDF link to a paper on the carriage of arrows in the middle age in my post above…

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