Tango01 | 08 Jun 2014 10:05 p.m. PST |
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Supercilius Maximus | 08 Jun 2014 11:13 p.m. PST |
Some aspects of the clothing are 10-20 years out of date, but if that doesn't bother you, then yes you could. |
ochoin | 09 Jun 2014 3:14 a.m. PST |
They're very nice. I know people sometimes blur anything from the WAS to the AWI but there are differences. I don't think you could realistically use these for the European theatre of the SYW. |
Flashman14 | 09 Jun 2014 5:03 a.m. PST |
Ya – I like these – some rally nice animation in the firing poses, and I especially like the kneeling officer with the pistol. |
Tango01 | 09 Jun 2014 11:23 a.m. PST |
Thanks for your guidance my friend. Amicalement Armand |
Supercilius Maximus | 09 Jun 2014 11:37 a.m. PST |
Donald – They'd be ok for European theatre SYW, but not European AWI; for America though you could argue they're from a backwater where fashion had not moved on very much. |
Fergal | 09 Jun 2014 12:14 p.m. PST |
I live in the part of the world where a lot of FIW action happened, and I'll tell you that there are still plenty of folks walking around in fashion from 20 years ago. |
Dennis0302 | 09 Jun 2014 1:13 p.m. PST |
Have to agree with Crossover. Some of the areas of NY state where the fighting took place are in a fashion time warp. |
ochoin | 09 Jun 2014 5:54 p.m. PST |
@ SM. Thanks. The ones with the short coat tails surely not? |
Major Bloodnok | 10 Jun 2014 4:37 p.m. PST |
You can have a time warp, clothing wise, with the militia from the Pennsylvania Germans. During Pontiac's Rebellion Col. Boquet mentioned how old fashioned their clothing was. It sounds like the Germans were hanging on to more German styling rather than English. One thing I have always wondered about. How many officers carried pistols if they were not mounted? The pistols shown look like they "horse pistols" rather than a pocket pistol. How many militiamen would have a pistol when the laws state he is supposed to have a musket (and will be fined for not having it)? |
(Stolen Name) | 10 Jun 2014 4:44 p.m. PST |
You would have the pistol out when you had dropped your musket or had it shot out of your hands, or had shot the ramrod at the enemy etc |
Supercilius Maximus | 10 Jun 2014 11:50 p.m. PST |
Major B, I've always thought that pistols would have been extremely rare amongst the militia, and especially the frontier type. Unless you had served in the cavalry (and absconded with them when you left), there would be very few reasons for ordinary folk to own one – they were expensive, would not have the punchh or accuracy to bring down game (especially the big stuff), and were really not much use for anything other than duelling (I'm not aware of any great problems with highwaymen in Colonial America, so personal protection whilst out riding would not have been an issue, I suspect). Militarily, the tradition in America was for officers to carry fusils for personal protection in the field, and a sword as a badge of rank; I doubt very much that the few powder stores in the Colonies would have stocked them. |
Supercilius Maximus | 10 Jun 2014 11:56 p.m. PST |
Ochoin, The "defending" figures appear to have much shorter waistcoats (vests) than the militia proper, and hence look more AWI-compatible. The main style differences between the 1750s and 1770s were that waistcoats became shorter and covered less of the thigh. On the coat, cuffs became smaller and tighter, collars became more common, and lapels became slimmer. Finally, the cocked hat became a bit smaller, and the front became flatter. The shirt, breeches, stockings and shoes remained the same. |
Major Bloodnok | 11 Jun 2014 9:56 a.m. PST |
If one was in a militia cavalry unit you could abscond with the pistols since they were probably yours to begin with, along with the horse, the saddle, etc. Working clothing can be shorter than fashion. Not all civilian coats had lapels and cuffs. Breeches do change, they get tighter, they go from fly fronts to small smalls. The shoes change also, deep square toes, to round toes, to "oval" or very narrow round toes by the AWI. One can also see some trousers worn by the working class. Col Frye (circa 1750s-60), once sent out an order telling his men not to come on parade in trousers and welsh caps as it was unmilitary. One thing you don't see in New England, before the AWI starts, are hunting shirts/frocks and rifles. |
GiloUK | 11 Jun 2014 2:10 p.m. PST |
I've recently finished a 24 figure unit of these figures for use as AWI militia. I quite like the older clothing, which to me suggests old-fashioned back-woodsmen types. |
Valator | 11 Jun 2014 8:28 p.m. PST |
Heck, my closet is 20 years out of date. I'm still hoping, in vain, for a return of Grunge. |
Major Bloodnok | 12 Jun 2014 5:18 a.m. PST |
Do not assume that "backwoodsmen" are wearing way out of date clothing since the back woods would be somewhat newly settled areas. The first generation of backwoodsmen came from somewhre else. |
zippyfusenet | 12 Jun 2014 10:36 a.m. PST |
Pistols were popular among seamen for boarding actions. A man could carry a battery of five or six in a waist sash or a belt, pull them out and fire them off as needed at very close quarters. For land action they were less useful, although irregular troop types like Scottish Highlanders and Turks often carried one or two for use during a charge. Trot up to 20 yards, fire a volley with muskets, drop muskets, trot up to 5 yards, fire off pistols, drop pistols, pull broadsword, charge in with a terrifying scream. |
spontoon | 12 Jun 2014 3:39 p.m. PST |
I'm certain that most gentlemen would own one pistol, if not a brace of them. |
Supercilius Maximus | 13 Jun 2014 2:08 a.m. PST |
Do not assume that "backwoodsmen" are wearing way out of date clothing since the back woods would be somewhat newly settled areas. The first generation of backwoodsmen came from somewhre else. I think he probably meant "back country" rather than back woods; much more conservative bunch than the coastal plain inhabitants, by and large. |
zippyfusenet | 13 Jun 2014 5:16 a.m. PST |
I'm certain that most gentlemen would own one pistol, if not a brace of them. Why would you think that? In The Sorrows of Young Werther, the hero borrowed the pistol he used to snuff himself. Told his friends that he was going traveling and wanted it for self defense. As has been pointed out, a pistol was not a hunting weapon. A gentleman would likely own a fusil or fowling piece for sporting use. A sword was the mark of a gentleman, and was often used for dueling. Jaques Menetra in his diary several times wrote that he borrowed a sword for a prospective duel, never a pistol. It's true that Menetra was no gentleman, but he imitated his betters in his dueling habits. It's also true that Menetra was French, and the French in this era favored the blade over the ball. However
The pistol was useful only for up-close offense/defense. Fire it once and drop it, or reverse your hold and club with it. Otherwise, it was a useless piece of heavy lumber. There was a distinct fashion for dueling with pistols among the upper class of the early American Republic – Aaron Burr vs. Alexander Hamilton, Andrew Jackson vs. all comers, etc., which eventually developed into the classic (mostly mythical) western gunfighter's confrontation at High Noon. We Americans have always been extremely fond of dispatching our enemies by shooting them. I don't think that dueling with pistols was ever as popular in Europe as it became here. "Somebody give me a gun so I can shoot this son-of-a-bitch!" "Here Senator, borrow mine. Shoots a little low and to the left." |