Cacique Caribe | 03 Jun 2014 4:47 p.m. PST |
If I were to make this for 15mm
link link How much actual space do you think I would need (minus the area where the ships are out in the back)? Thanks, Dan |
MrHarold | 03 Jun 2014 4:49 p.m. PST |
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doc mcb | 03 Jun 2014 5:16 p.m. PST |
Do you want the terrain as well? That looks cool (or hot actually) but the hill/ridges will define how much space. Looks to me like about 3 feet of "street" with buildings on each side. |
Lion in the Stars | 03 Jun 2014 6:02 p.m. PST |
Might only be 2 feet of 'street' between the two buildings, but it looks like the entire set including the hills/ridges would be a good 3 feet wide (and maybe more) and 5 feet long. I'm judging that based on the size of the doors on the buildings. |
PapaSync | 03 Jun 2014 6:55 p.m. PST |
I say a 4x6 should do it. With a little room to spare to roll dice. 8) |
Pictors Studio | 03 Jun 2014 7:17 p.m. PST |
Length: If the opening in the door of the front building on the left is about 15mm, you probably have about a 75mm frontage for that building. So about 5x5 inches for the square part of the building. Say three inches between it and the next building up and then that building (since round) takes up about 4 inches. Then the next building looks about the size of the first so another 5 inches then it looks like a little further distance between that and the next building, so maybe 5 or 6 inches and then the next building is another 5 inch square, but since it is on an angle it would be the hypotenuse of that triangle instead of the side, so about 7 inches instead of five. So just for the string of buildings on the left you are looking at about 29-30 inches. There is a building in the front and center which looks about level with the front of the first building on the left and may be another 5 inch square building. So for the street from the front center building to the last building on the left you have about 3 feet, or just less. Tough to tell how long the compound in the back is, but say the whole thing is about 10 inches long and about 8 inches away from the other part of the street (which may be a little too far, at least four inches away) then you have another 14-18 inches on top of that so about 4 feet or just over, maybe 4.5 feet. Width: If the square part of the front buliding is 5 inches then the back part is about the same at least in depth. So that is ten inches from the back of it to the front of it. The street then is about 12 inches across with another 5 inch building on the other side, so the width, at that point, would be about 27 inches. So if you *only* want to represent that street you are looking at about 54x30" board and that is if the street doesn't curve on your table. Wider if it does, say 54x40" If I were you I think I would want some of the terrain on there too, depending on what you are doing, so 6x4 feet seems about perfect. If you disagree with the size of the buildings then adjust the math accordingly. |
Stealth1000 | 03 Jun 2014 10:55 p.m. PST |
I would think 18" to 24" long and about 12" wide. The ships in the back would depend on their size. My ships are pretty big. I would need about 2 foot by 3 foot for my ships. |
Cacique Caribe | 03 Jun 2014 11:45 p.m. PST |
Here's a REALLY rough quick sketch. Hope the link works:
link What do you think? Somewhat close?
Dan |
grommet37 | 04 Jun 2014 12:01 a.m. PST |
My first guess would be around 4' X 6', including a bit of the hills. I think Pictors math seems pretty solid. I also know that Stealth1000 and MrHarold can fit an amazing amount of stuff in a small area. Still, those are two- and three-storey tapered buildings, with even higher hills around them, with the shallow slope of dunes. I'm gonna say 3' X 5', Dan, with an outer retaining wall, for the abrupt end of play area around the height of the dunes. You really need those hills for that Western feel too. Somebody needs to be up on that ridge, or it just wouldn;t feel right. Character gaming or full-on platoon battle? |
FreddBloggs | 04 Jun 2014 3:54 a.m. PST |
Not sure, but I fancy building it myself
Would be in 6mm though. |
Von Trinkenessen | 04 Jun 2014 4:21 a.m. PST |
If it was me it would be 6'x8' for a battle , or you could go smaller for a skirmish. That's an old school UK style of table with plenty of room to deploy and move, but having seen some of the new developments on your side of the pond: smaller tables straight into the action style of games with shorter time takenand the appearance in the UK recently of small table intense gaming make it modular with different sizes of central spaces for different styles of games. Keep the faith Guy T |
Cacique Caribe | 04 Jun 2014 5:43 a.m. PST |
Wow. Sounds like a daunting task now. Dan |
War Monkey | 04 Jun 2014 5:43 a.m. PST |
I would draw a rough sketch layout of the actual size of each of the buildings and as to how they would be laid out and figure it out from there, my only problem is when I do it I always want to go bigger! |
Mehoy Nehoy | 04 Jun 2014 5:45 a.m. PST |
I'd go with 3.175 x 5.648 feet. |
MrHarold | 04 Jun 2014 6:26 a.m. PST |
Remember, buildings on the table (while having in scale doors and windows)are usually much smaller than something in "real scale". |
Cacique Caribe | 04 Jun 2014 1:06 p.m. PST |
I may need to focus on just half the buildings then. Perhaps only the front half (foreground of image, including the two center tents):
But with bright awnings like these:
link Dan |
etotheipi | 04 Jun 2014 4:25 p.m. PST |
Rather than scaling the space to the "reality", you should plan the area based on "average" and "sprint" movement for your chosen rule set and how many turns you want it to take to conduct certain maneuvers. |
Early morning writer | 04 Jun 2014 10:07 p.m. PST |
I'm just a-wondering here but has anyone seen a project of CC Dan's that is actually finished? Tons of questions, lots of photos and links – but finished product? Not that I don't have my own mass of unfinished works! |
FreddBloggs | 05 Jun 2014 2:23 a.m. PST |
The buildings look to have a fairly modular footprint. Cut out card templates to scale and play around with the layout from there. |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Jun 2014 3:53 a.m. PST |
Early Morning Writer: "I'm just a-wondering here but has anyone seen a project of CC Dan's that is actually finished? Tons of questions, lots of photos and links – but finished product? Not that I don't have my own mass of unfinished works!" There are a couple: link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Jun 2014 2:40 p.m. PST |
Here are some interesting awnings too:
link And the faded paint on stucco looks nice here:
link Dan |
FreddBloggs | 06 Jun 2014 2:12 a.m. PST |
You are finding loads of great stuff for my Mars and Venus towns, keep up the good work! |
zrunelord | 06 Jun 2014 4:32 a.m. PST |
Another great project Dan, I would personally go with 1' x 1' hardboard pieces. Remember you have to store this somewhere. You can use expanding foam for a project like this or papier mache' to make it light.The former is easier as it can be shaped with a breadknife & hardboard fences for the high parts, the later has to have an expanded foam base + wiremesh. The other problem which you might not have thought of is,the angle of the hills. They look very nice from a terrain point of view but where will you perch the minis? Though you might stick small magnets all over them . Oh & remember Einstein said that the trick is never to stop asking :):):)
so keep asking , it will help us think & be creative. Hope this helps Z |
Char B1 bis | 06 Jun 2014 5:24 a.m. PST |
The ships got me thinking
always a bad thing. How far P-A is this town supposed to be? I'm curious about your ideas because the technology exists today and is used to build earth houses similar to this. Really cool idea for a commune to build but that usually admits some type of governance and I am curious how long or short P-A that might take? |
War Monkey | 06 Jun 2014 1:50 p.m. PST |
CC Those are interesting pictures you just added, I like em, could easly be done with foam board and hobby sticks. :D |
Cacique Caribe | 06 Jun 2014 4:04 p.m. PST |
Guys, How do you like these buildings?
link Yep. I must have a few awnings for sure. Even if some of them are made of metal sheeting: link Anyway, these days my fastest rate will have to be one or two buildings at a time. I don't have the space or stamina to build big like I used to. Dan |
Char B1 bis | 07 Jun 2014 12:51 p.m. PST |
That above photo is great. and more plausible for an earth settlement, I would think, than the very first drawing. Beautiful finds, all, though! |
grommet37 | 07 Jun 2014 1:57 p.m. PST |
Dan, These last few pics are very inspiring. I'm going to resist the temptation to work on something like this, and concentrate on my own project. By the way, have you considered using that bamboo sushi rolling mat for awnings or fencing? I still think it might be quite useful to you. |
War Monkey | 07 Jun 2014 4:49 p.m. PST |
CC I like to looks of those building too! Nice find thanks I have an idea of building up the terrain using pine bark nuggets and pink foam, but will have to wait till after the move |
Cacique Caribe | 19 Jun 2014 11:38 p.m. PST |
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Cacique Caribe | 21 Jun 2014 11:18 a.m. PST |
I think this one would definitely end up being a massive project, but some of you may be up to the challenge:
link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 21 Jun 2014 12:37 p.m. PST |
I'm sure this could be done with foam board or thick card interior walls, doors and other details, and with pink/blue insulating board to create the sloped and rounded exteriors, for greater realism, don't you think?
link link
link Thoughts? Dan |
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART | 22 Jun 2014 7:27 a.m. PST |
If memory serves me correctly, you moved to 15mm because of space considerations. Perhaps if you started with a board size that met your needs, everything else would fall into place by itself. Other considerations would concern the board's use. What type of gaming would it be used for (skirmish etc). This would help define the building sizes and proximity to one another. Another possibility could be the settlement's purpose (if any). This would help define the type of structures that could be designed. Whatever you do please post photos as I'm sure they would look terrific! |
Cacique Caribe | 22 Jun 2014 2:39 p.m. PST |
You are absolutely right! Thanks for keeping me focused – I really need all the help I can get these days. My maximum playing area has to be no bigger than 2' by 4'. I can't hold anything larger at our house. I have no serious difficulties determining size from a flat map or diagram. But, give me an angled sketch or picture like that one at the very top of this thread (the desert outpost, by Eaves), and I get all twisted, visually. Dan |