" Blue moon 15/18mm boxer rebellion" Topic

We are just in the planning stages to begin work on the 15/18mm boxer range. We would like to get some feedback on a few questions?

1. The Legations -- a little large so as to be able to get hands/fingers in for gaming?

2. The great wall cast in foam?

3. Sections of city streets, buildings,etc?

4. Chineese civilians, non combatants?

Any other thoughts, ideas,etc?

Regards
Russ Dunaway

How about some ad hoc Chinese works for fighting along river ways. Thinking Taku(Daguerre) Forts stuff.
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A couple sections of the city wall are a must. The 'International gun;' foot bridges for the canal; a siege tower to re-enact the scene from "55 Days at Peking;" the homemade mortar used by the Priest in the same movie against the tower; European non-combatants; character figures because so many gamers will be inspired by the movie, just as I was years ago when I bought everything you had in your 25mm Boxer Rebellion range. I bought all of the legations (duplicates of two) and one of my dearest friends scratchbuilt a wonderful section of the city wall to overlook and threaten the legations. You might also want to think about making a small foam model of the Taku Fort, the Arsenal, and the church in Peking that was held by a small detachment of French sailors and troops. Lots of scope for gaming in the rebellion.

OHHHH I would love a Great Wall! Something to stretch across a table and keep the barbarians out!

How about a steam engine with a couple cars for Admiral Seymour's relief expedition? Make the engine and cars generic enough and capable of holding figures and a platform for a machinegun, include some light track, and I bet Colonial-era gamers would scoop them up. The engine and cars could be sculpted to show the adhoc addition of armor for protection.

Assume you would also include the Chinese Army and Boxers – Perhaps the Red Lanterns and Kansu Braves.

In addition to the siege and lifting of it – I would also like to be able to game some of the expeditions – so perhaps some Chinese junks (as in the Seymour Expedition)

The legation walls more than the Great Wall. A Chinese coastal fort was the target of several attacks.
Chinese elevated train tracks and a railway station.
Civilains would be good as they could be used for several eras.

Yes please to all :)

Fu dogs

Lots of normal buildings and shops

Russ,

I'd prefer the buildings a bit smaller. Love Blue Moon but some of the buildings you've released are only useful for skirmish level gaming in my opinion. So I vote smaller. The Great Wall (in Peking) in foam is fine since lighter – the actual Great Wall might be fun, too (a couple sections). Sections of the town are a must in my book. And the Hanlan library, of course. A nice diversity of Chinese civilians – and a fair number of Europeans as well – for non-combatants (laborers). Another vote for the Red Lanterns.

Something to represent the Peitang Cathedral and a bit of the Forbidden City palaces also. And here's something to add in as a sideshow enhancement that I thing will be remarkably popular with those of us already interested in the Boxer rebellion – figures to permit The Sand Pebbles movie – including the boat itself plus some smaller Chinese craft. And, as mentioned above, character figures for both Sand Pebbles and 55 Days at Peking. Oh, I guess an outlying mission station and rural village also.

And thanks for asking. Looking forward to see this range when it sees the light of day.

(absolute side discussion here but while we have your attention – any chance of some architecture to accompany the Musketeer range of figures?)

Tigermen would be good only one firm currently make them in 15/18mm. Boxers with Jingals would certainly sell well too.

I would buy Chinese fortifications.

Part of the city wall, including the Water Gate would be cool along with shops, a few houses, and loop-holed barricades for Legation scenarios.

The houses and shops would also work for Tientsin and other towns that were fought over on the route to Peking.

Maybe a few burnt-out structures to represent the Mongol Market that was torched by the Boxers and featured a sortie or two.

Any Chinese buildings will be good sellers as they have many applications outside of the Boxer Rebellion.

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1. If the buildings are truer to scale, then larger would not be needed. They would be rather huge compared to an 18mm figure, meaning that they would be plenty big enough for figures. Lift off roofs are a must.

2. Great Wall is not needed, but as mentioned above, city walls, which are fairly great in their own right, are.

3. The more of the city, the better. It is not just legation buildings, there are Chinese homes, shops, churches, etc., in the Legation area.

4. Civilians are always a nice addition to those wanting to add a more visual game and/or flavor to a scenario.

An additional suggestion, make the pack mixes more realistic than some other 15mm ranges out there. I mean take a look at how many troops were from each legation during the siege, and perhaps make pack sizes 1:5 in ratio, combining smaller nations if need be. There were just over 400 military personnel, at 1:5 that would be 80 figures. Those could be broken into three packs. Civilian totals (non native) were nearly 500, which would be 100 figures at 1:5.

By making a 1:5 ratio, gamers who wanted to do 1:1 could buy five times the figures, and they would be in the correct ratios (command might have to be done as a separate pack though).

Just my half cent!

The Water Gate and the dry canal. I', not sure how you'd do it but the bridges over the canal and the dry canal are/would be a huge feature.

A series of burned out shops/houses as the wreck of the market was also a significant feature.

One must have – that pieced together Legation gun with the cobbled together carriage.

Russ,
Slightly smaller buildings than your FIW scale would be best for a 55 Days in Peking setting, IMO.
Jerry

Don't forget to do them in 28mm too!!!

Here's a vote to leave the building scale just as it is. There are other manufacturers who produce the smaller footprint.

1. The Legations -- a little large so as to be able to get hands/fingers in for gaming?
If you have to (sounds like it might be big enough at 1/100 scale!).

2. The great wall cast in foam?
Whichever is least expensive.

3. Sections of city streets, buildings,etc?
Oh, heck yes!

4. Chineese civilians, non combatants?
I would buy many, MANY of those…

corona66, who else makes Chinese buildings in 15 mm? I know of not one any where so would love to know of these others you write of, especially ones suitable for the legations of Boxer Rebellion fame.

4. Chineese civilians, non combatants?
I would buy many, MANY of those…

As would I. Would use them for 15mm version of IHMN.

Figures in separate packs. I don't like the mixed European old glory packs, as the mix is useless for my use.

1. I like the idea of making the size of the Legations gamer friendly..

2. The 'Great Wall" .. no need for this
The Peking city wall.. yes definitely! with bastion and ramp features.

3. Street sections might be nice.. definitely would like to see some Chinese buildings of the type surrounding the Legation quarter.

4. Chineese civilians would be a nice addition. Rickshaws etc. would also be good.

Other thoughts.. Barricades for use in Legation quarter, European figures packaged separately by Nationality/unit type… wanting to get more RMLI figures, and getting stuck with sooo many extra other things is a drag.
Forts, Arsenals, and rural chinese structures would be good, as well as gunboats, sampans etc…
18mm naval guns/fixtures/crew would be great for scratch building river craft of my own… :-)

Time to bring this post back up to the top of its thread in the hopes that Russ might pop in and way in on how this is coming along.

or weigh in as I should have typed…!

D6 Junkie wrote

OHHHH I would love a Great Wall! Something to stretch across a table and keep the barbarians out!<q/>

I see the typo. Shouldn't it read..
"Keep the barbarians IN..?"

I need many many packs of civilians (Chinese, European or anything else)red lanterns, mongol cavalry.

This thread was started in June…over 6 months ago. Would love to hear an update.

This posting gave me an Idea for Little Wars :)

Rereading this thread and saw the note above about the train. A resounding YES to that suggestion! And, I too, am hoping for an update of this range.

I asked about the range at Cold Wars and got the impression it's along way from being produced….

Well, I guess that gives us our temporary answers. Suits me, be a long time before I get to that collection any way. Thanks for the reply LVG.

Any updates?

Not good ones. There is another more recent thread that isn't very positive. If it happens, it is a ways out. Perhaps the other colonial releases aren't doing as well as hoped and that has put a damper on enthusiasm for this period. Colonials are something of a niche within the hobby, if one of the stronger ones – and fiercely supported by some. I continue to hope.

Just when I thought I was not going to buy any more figures.
I have over 1,000 painted Taiping and Imperial figures. Now I'm going to be tempted (why even lie, yes I will buy) with more boxers, Imperials and terrain.

Thanks Russ!

Yes, sections of city and civilians. Jingal guns a must.

So, Russ, if I buy 'fazands of Zulus and 'undreds of Fuzzy Wuzzies, does it make the Boxer range more likely? Might need to rearrange my 2015/16 plans if the answer is 'yes' !

Any Update Russ?

This year? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

I don't have the post in front of me but Russ recently posted about a possibility around Historicon for a Boxer release.

Have my fingers so crossed life is hard – can't work proper with fingers all tangled up like that! Hope they come out soon so I can uncross those fingers, they're getting' sore, I tell you.

Edit: Found the post from April 10, 2017:

"Be patient until Historicon ????????

Regards
Russ Dunaway"

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