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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2014 8:36 p.m. PST

… in other words, as the remake was meant to be, before Hollywood gave in to pressure from China.

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QUESTIONS

For a modern or near future Chinese invasion of the US, with guerrilla/skirmish scenarios centered around the outskirts of a small American town …

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A) How many 15mm Chinese figures would you buy;
B) What types of units?
C) From which figure manufacturer(s)?
D) And would these be appropriate camp colors for PLA troops?

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I was thinking of using local police, SWAT, survivalists, drug gangs, etc., as the resistance, along with a handful of US troops.

Thanks,

Dan

bluebirds40 Inactive Member30 May 2014 9:04 p.m. PST

i liked both version of red dawn and thought about doing something like this using rebel minis chinese pla infantry and chinese pla heavy weapons. then i thought about buying some of kurasans modern north korean army and paint them as chinese.

Trojan Points Inactive Member31 May 2014 1:40 a.m. PST

That's a great project… I assume you're looking for "5 minutes in the future PLA" nothing more advanced?

I've been daydreaming about a future PLA force for a while…

Regular infantry: Khurusan North Korean, they might be slightly off, I honestly don't know, for modern PLA but with the right pain job they're more than close enough for me.

Special Force: special forces upgrade kits and adopt foreign TTPs so fast that pretty much no one can follow anyway, so Khurasan SEALs and the right paint job (all black with a large PRC flag on the shoulder?) will do the trick.

American People Armed Police: local PD purged of indesirable elements and pressed into occupation service, Khurasan US police officers with some "sino-american friendship" flag on the shoulder (where the US one used to be).

Trojan Points Inactive Member31 May 2014 2:19 a.m. PST

As for vehicles, depending on how Napoleonic you wan't to go about it, you can either wait for someone to release some, go crazy with conversion or settle for Russian BMD-3 for the infantry, French VAB ("4x4 Type 92") for the police and maybe a Mil Mi-8 to ferry your SF… QRF makes all of those.

For the resistance, technicals off course (I've read Peter Pig's Toyota truck is nice) with maybe the odd HMMWV thrown into the mix.

Tgunner31 May 2014 2:24 a.m. PST

The uniforms are okay but the weapons are wrong. QRF and Rebel Minis have the right troops with the QRF range being more complete.

I'm going to do a skirmish campaign like Just Jack this summer but it will be a US coalition vs. the PLA. However my Red Dawn will be in the Philippines… And my troops will be mostly, at the start, Filipinos. I'm using 1990's era US painted up as Philippine Army troops and Rangers going up against PLA marines and airborne. There will be a couple of US Special Forces troops in the mix including one green beret by the name of Jed Eckert. Matt is a Marine who'll show up much later in the campaign.

Right now I'm using:

US Special Forces: rebel minis special forces
Philippine Army: Quality Castings modern US
USMC: Rebel Minis US
US Army: QRF US
PLA: right now I'm using Rebel Minis PLA, but later I'll use QRF.
Philippine Insurgents: Rebel gunmen

US and Filipino vehicles are easy to get… Not so much for the Chinese. I'll get a couple of humvees and some VABS for now I guess.

Trojan Points Inactive Member31 May 2014 2:29 a.m. PST

For the resistance I'd stay clear of uniformed cop… Former US military using their kit to fight against the occupant make sense, that kit is practical (maybe not as practical as it could be, but better that nothing), as a cop turned freedom fighter however, I'd keep the gun and armour vest, but throw away (or hide) the rest of the uniform: it'd only help security forces to identify me, without any other benefits.

The US military minis, I'd take them for a variety or ranges and eras for a not too uniform look. Paint their clothes a mix of camos (woodland, desert, acu, various marpats, air force and navy camos, various hunter/survivalist fantasy stuffs) and civilian colours, and their kit (webbing, armour, helmets) a variety of colours to.

And I'll probably mix them 1 US military to 2 armed civilian or zombie survivor…

Have a look at Pig Iron blog: they're 28mm but have a nice near future irregular force that (to me) hits precisely the sweet spot for that ultra modern western world freedom fighter thing: link

War Monkey31 May 2014 5:13 a.m. PST

Fairly most of what everyone else has mentioned, only I would use Oddzial Osmy's insurgents as my redel forces they look the part for sure with a few of Rebel Minis gang task force in the mix as former military types

Tgunner31 May 2014 6:55 a.m. PST

Oh, troop wise- I'm going with platoon sized forces. My PLA force is built around a standard PLA rifle platoon with, hopefully, a few HUMVEES and VABs for rides. I also have a T-55 that will see use a marine tank. I don't know if the Chinese use them, but the Russians still use a few with their marines, so why not?

My US and Philippine force will be similar sized with about a platoon sized unit with supporting vehicles. My insurgent force will hopefully reach platoon size too. I'll probably buy a pack of Rebel Minis gunmen and insurgents with RPKs… not really accurate, but maybe the Philippines bought some of these weapons before the war from some Eastern Block seller to issue to support insurgents? Or they'll just be proxies since no one will sell modern insurgents in western clothes…

Lion in the Stars31 May 2014 8:10 a.m. PST

Depends on how capable you're assuming the Chinese to be.

My usual rule of thumb for insurgencies is to outnumber the regular troops at least 2:1 in combat.

I'd have an entire platoon of Chinese available for use, though I'd probably only bring 2 squads to the table.

Tgunner31 May 2014 9:02 a.m. PST

oh, I forgot my Eureka Aussie platoon!

SouthernPhantom31 May 2014 9:13 a.m. PST

I'm doing something similar in 1/72; my Chinese (and French) will be Caesar figures. I already have a fair bit of resistance/militia troops- 80s/90s US infantry, some repainted Arab militant types, and a bunch of very, very modified Confederates with rifle-muskets converted into deer rifles and pump shotguns.

You might want to invest in some HMMWVs and WZ551s. The PLA uses quite a few HMMWV knockoffs, which would be quite appropriate for a skirmish game, while the 551 is used in both police and military roles.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2014 10:50 a.m. PST

Lion: "My usual rule of thumb for insurgencies is to outnumber the regular troops at least 2:1 in combat."

Good point! Thanks,

Dan

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2014 11:03 a.m. PST

Here are the QRF Chinese troops:

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And here are the ones from Rebel Minis:

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Does anyone know if the two makes are compatible? And are there any other manufacturers that make figures of today's PLA?

Thanks,

Dan
PS. Looks like the movie got the camo colors pretty close:

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Tgunner31 May 2014 11:25 a.m. PST

Those are the only two I know about. I regularly use Rebel and QRF together, so they are usually pretty close, but plan to order some QRF fairly soon so I'll let you know.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2014 3:21 p.m. PST

I wonder if the Joss Whedon flag and military insignia for the Alliance (Union of Allied Planets) in Firefly/Serenity, and the Sino-American cultural and linguistic blending in the Core Planets, was the result of a Chinese invasion of the US long before humans used up Earth:

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The game Fallout also mentions a Sino-American War:

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Thoughts?

Dan
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Char B1 bis Inactive Member01 Jun 2014 5:33 p.m. PST

I don't like the flags…too busy.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP16 Aug 2014 9:01 p.m. PST

Anyone seen "Dragon Day"?

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Dan

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2015 7:08 p.m. PST

Update -

Just found an entirely different poster for the 2013 independent film "Dragon Day" that some of you with expert photoshop abilities might turn into a post-invasion propaganda poster:

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It almost makes me want to look for a 2 or 3 inch Mao plastic figure in that pose, to put on a pedestal base in the middle of terrain representing an American town or city square or parade ground.

Anyway, I hope you guys can use it for your gaming needs, such as the original premise of the Red Dawn remake, which would have be a Chinese invasion scenario.

Dan
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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2015 7:20 p.m. PST

When your smartphone rings, make sure to click on the "Accept" button:

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And don't forget to wear your Citizen Freedom wristband at ALL times!!!

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Dan

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