"Missouri Navy vet chronicles losses on WWII submarines" Topic
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Tango01 | 26 May 2014 10:19 a.m. PST |
"Serving aboard an American submarine was one of the most dangerous assignments in World War II, with nearly 1 in 5 crew members losing their lives somewhere in the ocean depths. Paul Wittmer of suburban St. Louis has spent years working to ensure that those men — more than 3,600 sailors — are remembered, including a book that has been years in the making. Wittmer, a submarine veteran who turned 90 last week, has conducted research for eight years at the National Archives at St. Louis, which houses millions of military personnel records. He compiled biographical information on every man lost aboard a submarine during the war. The research fills six volumes
" Full article here link Amicalement Armand |
Dye4minis | 26 May 2014 4:09 p.m. PST |
But Armand, it is NOT a full article! Where does one go to buy a copy? There are probably a few here on TMP that would to help this fellow vet out. Was your motivation to share his story? If so, why do such a poor job of it? You could have emailed the website you took the story from and asked them for the contact info. Of course, we all could, but having such contact info WITH the story feeds that impulse to help. It also presents a complete story for the readers here. Without it, well, not many will remember him with a purchase and just feeds the image that you just spam us with postings. i have been a supporter of your postings, as they have been mostly useful, but this time, you could have done more than cut and paste---especially on US Veterans Day. |
Dye4minis | 26 May 2014 4:20 p.m. PST |
I asked the Navy Times to print a correction to the story so people could purchase a copy. Please post their correction here, too, Armand. That would show you taking responsibility for what you post here. Thanks! Tom |
gaiusrabirius | 26 May 2014 7:19 p.m. PST |
I am grateful this story was brought to my attention. A noble, worthy endeavor. |
ThePeninsularWarin15mm | 27 May 2014 12:38 p.m. PST |
Tom, It is a full article Armand linked to. The author of the story (Jim Salter) did a horrible job in ignoring the ability of anyone interested in purchasing the set that was reviewed in the story. Had YOU done a simple search, you'd of found the home page by using the book title. subvetpaul.com Armand owes no one an apology, but you might for your unwarranted hostility. |
charared | 27 May 2014 5:52 p.m. PST |
I'll second your suggestion "ThePeninsularWarin15mm"! |
Tango01 | 27 May 2014 11:23 p.m. PST |
I think that our friend Dye4minis has only a bad day. (smile). Glad you enjoyed it boys. Many thanks my friend ThePeninsularWarin15mm! (smile). Amicalement Armand |
ThePeninsularWarin15mm | 28 May 2014 3:54 p.m. PST |
Anytime Tango. I enjoy your posts as I never seem fortunate enough to run across all the sites you do. |
Lion in the Stars | 28 May 2014 4:52 p.m. PST |
Of a little over 300 submarines serving in the Pacific Ocean during WW2, 48 were lost with all hands. Since WW2, the USN has lost 2 submarines with all hands (Thresher in 1962, Scorpion in 1968), oddly, both in the Atlantic. Many, many of my brothers-in-arms sleep in the deep, dark waters of the western Pacific, but they did not go out quietly. There is a wall in the Commander, Submarine Forces, US Pacific Fleet offices in Pearl Harbor that has a mural on it. This mural is a chart of the Pacific Ocean, with a little 3x5" flag for every Japanese ship sunk during WW2. The classic 'meatball' for merchant ships, and the 'rising sun' for warships. There are large portions of this mural where you cannot see the blue of the water or green of the land under all the flags. Probably a full quarter of the mural is red and white. |
Chortle | 05 Jun 2014 11:37 a.m. PST |
"Thresher in 1962" I saw a documentary reconstruction of what might have gone wrong and sunk the Thresher. Poor devils. |
Lion in the Stars | 06 Jun 2014 12:19 p.m. PST |
Yeah, the SubSafe program came out of the Thresher investigation. Since the full implementation of SubSafe, the US hasn't lost a single sub. Sadly, Scorpion hadn't gotten her SubSafe refit before she was lost, but I don't know that SubSafe would have saved her. It comes down to 3 major possibilities: 1) Torpedo Accident. The Mk37s of the time were known to have issues with their battery catching on fire. 2) Control Surface Casualty, AKA "Jam Dive." Probably caused by blowing out an O-ring on the hydraulic ram that moves the planes. There is *very* little time to respond to this happening at high speed, and you can VERY quickly exceed your test depth even when responding properly (in a 19000-ton Ohio!). The "S-boats" were known for responding very quickly to the planes, too. 3) Enemy action. Soviets sunk the Scorpion as payback for something (what exactly varies with whose theory you read). Personally, I hold with the Jam Dive being the most likely by a significant margin, with a torpedo accident being much more likely than enemy attack. Reminds me, I need to read Beach and Fluckey again. |
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