Tango01 | 18 May 2014 10:26 p.m. PST |
"The wreck of the City of Chester, a steamship that sank with much loss of life in August 22, 1888, has been rediscovered by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The ship was found in May of last year during a sonar survey of another shipwreck. The Office of Coast Survey Navigational Response Team 6 was scanning the wreck of the Fernstream, a freighter that went down in 1952. While they were in the neighborhood, NOAA director of maritime heritage James Delgado asked the team to look for the City of Chester. After working with historic data provided by NOAA historians, the Coast Survey team conducted a multi-beam sonar survey and a sonar target the right size and shape was found. The team spent nearly nine months sorting through the data. A follow-up side-scan sonar survey confirmed that the target was City of Chester, sitting upright, shrouded in mud, 216 feet deep at the edge of a small undersea shoal. High-resolution sonar imagery clearly defined the hull, rising some 18 feet from the seabed, and the fatal gash on the vessel's port side. The wreck won't be salvaged or interfered with in any way –it's a protected grave site owned by the state of California — but its rediscovery will be a central feature of an upcoming exhibition at the historic Coast Guard Station on Crissy Field, on the northeast shore of the Presidio
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See here link Amicalement Armand |
MajorB | 19 May 2014 2:01 a.m. PST |
The SS City of Chester was a civilian ship. She sank in a collision with another civilain ship. As such this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with either miniatures or wargaming. |
venezia sta affondando | 19 May 2014 2:15 a.m. PST |
She sank in a collision with another civilain ship. As such this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with either miniatures or wargaming Except, as every interested SciFi enthu knows, both civilian ships were under attack from Martian Tripods attacking the San Francisco Bay area before they collided. Any criticism should be that it is incorrectly posted and should be on the Victorian SF Board. |
MajorB | 19 May 2014 2:42 a.m. PST |
<Except, as every interested SciFi enthu knows, both civilian ships were under attack from Martian Tripods attacking the San Francisco Bay area before they collided. No, the Martian invasion occurred after 1899. "In The War of the Worlds, people see a great light on Mars in 1894 and then they see something strange again during the next two oppositions with Mars, which is when Mars is closest to Earth. In the real world, the next oppositions after 1894 were 1896 and 1899." link |
20thmaine | 19 May 2014 3:24 a.m. PST |
It is possible to encounter civilan ships in wargames. This certainly gives some evidence on what it took to sink a ship of this kind. |
venezia sta affondando | 19 May 2014 4:17 a.m. PST |
In the real world
Quite so. Welcome to the world of wargaming. Enough said? |
GarrisonMiniatures | 19 May 2014 4:29 a.m. PST |
'The SS City of Chester was a civilian ship. She sank in a collision with another civilain ship. As such this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with either miniatures or wargaming.' We have sports boards and animals boards – what have most of the things posted there got to do with wargaming? |
VonTed | 19 May 2014 4:58 a.m. PST |
I have civilian ships for my naval gaming
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MajorB | 19 May 2014 5:21 a.m. PST |
We have sports boards and animals boards – what have most of the things posted there got to do with wargaming? Those boards are on TMP Plus, not the main forums. |
MajorB | 19 May 2014 5:26 a.m. PST |
Quite so. Welcome to the world of wargaming. Enough said? No. You obviously haven't read the rest of the link. Although HGW didn't actually specify the date of the Martian invasion in the novel, it must be remembered that it was science fiction and therefore as far as the author was concerned was in the future, not in some alternative historical setting. The novel was written between 1895 and 1897 so the events described could not possibly have happened before then. If you are going to use a fictional source as a wargames setting, you need to at least stick to the canon. |
Klebert L Hall | 19 May 2014 5:56 a.m. PST |
The SS City of Chester was a civilian ship. She sank in a collision with another civilain ship. As such this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with either miniatures or wargaming. Nor does whining about other people's posting habits have anything to do with wargaming. It still seems to be your favorite hobby here, though. -Kle. |
venezia sta affondando | 19 May 2014 6:02 a.m. PST |
If you are going to use a fictional source as a wargames setting, you need to at least stick to the canon Utter tosh! When I am playing with toy soldiers I do as I damn well please. It's called playing
and, I think, imagination. YOU mentioned War of the Worlds, I mentioned Martian Tripods. We are NOT on the same script. Anyway, let us not stray too far from your original, yet unoriginal, rant against Tango01. |
BillReed13126 | 19 May 2014 8:18 a.m. PST |
I just stifled Major B. My first stifle since joining in 2005. The continued vitriolic attacks on Tango when the issue has been addressed are unnecessary and frankly quite silly. A trained historian (University of Toronto MA, 1974) I am a long time lurker with increasingly diverse interests. Attacking Tango's eclectic postings because they don't fit narrow and individual definitions of what the hobby should include certainly don't serve my interests. Knock it off, kids! |
morrigan | 19 May 2014 8:46 a.m. PST |
Here's an historical reference – "they came on in the same old way
." Stifled him years ago, in one of his earlier incarnations. |
Texas Jack | 19 May 2014 9:07 a.m. PST |
Margard, why do you feel the need to dictate what is appropriate here? I am a pre-dreadnought gamer and I find this article quite interesting and perfectly suitable. And as 20thmaine says, you can indeed meet up with civilian ships in wargames, and at any rate, perhaps this article will inspire some scratch builders to make a miniature (you remember those, yes?) of the Chester. The only thing inappropriate about Tango´s post was your response to it. |
Tango01 | 19 May 2014 10:03 a.m. PST |
Glad you enjoyed the article boys!. (smile). Amicalement Armand |
Royston Papworth | 20 May 2014 5:11 a.m. PST |
Just wanted to mention that War of the Worlds is actually set in the twentieth century. The first paragraph in the book ends with
'and early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment' Going to move along now, safer not standing still
.and Tango, I appreciate your posts, 20thmaine and Texas Jack said, civilian ships are all part of our pre-Dreadnought scenery! |
Tango01 | 20 May 2014 12:50 p.m. PST |
Thanks for your kindly words my friend ! (smile). Amicalement Armand |
BlackWidowPilot | 20 May 2014 1:04 p.m. PST |
"I just stifled Major B. My first stifle since joining in 2005. The continued vitriolic attacks on Tango when the issue has been addressed are unnecessary and frankly quite silly. A trained historian (University of Toronto MA, 1974) I am a long time lurker with increasingly diverse interests. Attacking Tango's eclectic postings because they don't fit narrow and individual definitions of what the hobby should include certainly don't serve my interests. Knock it off, kids!" SECONDED. Well said.
Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net
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BlackWidowPilot | 20 May 2014 1:06 p.m. PST |
"Except, as every interested SciFi enthu knows, both civilian ships were under attack from Martian Tripods attacking the San Francisco Bay area before they collided." No, it was Cthulhu! My great grandpa caught him red tentacled in the act back in 1888, but no one would believe him!
Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net |
Patrick Sexton | 02 Jun 2014 1:03 p.m. PST |
Hell, I have two civilian vessels in 28mm no less and one bears a resemblance to the wrecked vessel in question. Plus I have several for 1:2400 scale. |