"Please boycott otherworld miniatures" Topic

Please boycott otherworld miniature till he fulfill the indiegogo project from 2 years ago and tell other in the hobby, he keeps making promises and does not follow through

Aren't the items shipping? People on forum claim to be receiving them.

My understanding is that he is shipping as he can afford to stock the items and pay the shipping.

I certainly wouldn't support any sort of "boycott".

Link to the indiegogo page would seem like a good idea, so that people can read the updates and comments and come to their own conclusions:

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Wow! He has his miniatures for sale BEFORE filling all his Kickstarter participant's orders. There is NO valid reason for this. Glad I wasn't in on this one!

I painted some of his monsters. They were beautiful. I remember that some required extensive work to put together.

I am interested in these characters. Sorry to hear people are having trouble with delivery. I think it is inevitable that people/operations will run into trouble with successfully funded projects.

I guess the guy already spent the money he made from crowdfunding over the past two years and is now filling the indiegogo orders as he can afford to from new orders. Perhaps he discovered that his costs are way more than he had guessed. He could have been running at, or near, a loss all along. This is probably true for many miniatures businesses.

If this vendor is boycotted he won't be able to fulfill the indiegogo orders.

You should never put more than you are willing to write off into a crowdfunding campaign.

This is some grimy stuff right here

Huh, Otherworld has released hundreds of other minis, why should this 4 dozen take so long? And it's not like he was asking bargain basement prices- $85 USD for 12 minis and shipping. This reeks of 'used the money for something else which didn't pay off', but I'm sure this has been hashed out elsewhere. I won't boycott them, but I'm certainly going to make sure I buy his figures from a reputable retailer and not direct.

Rich

Well, I haven't received my stuff, but still I am not worried about it. Maybe I should be, but I'm not.

I did not participate in the Indiego campaign but I bought some of the Adventurers as soon as they were for sale. I posted pictures when I had painted them on 6th October 2014.
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I was surprised to hear from several angry posters on TMP and LAF that they were on sale before the campaign funders had got their figures. I am even more shocked that this is still not completed. It is very unprofessional.

Mick

Well 1st I am luckier than most I backed at level 7 to get everything and I did receive half some have not even gotten those. And without a doubt they are fantastic figures. But the is a real lack of communication he stated that he is shipping them out and does not and he sell the figures already at convention's and on line. On his face book page he has all shorts of new figures being made so why not finish this and move on. In the long run I have nothing against Richard and I am sure within the next 2 year we should all get our stuff but he needs to take care of those who took care of him 1st

Sounds like he actually ran a kickstarter based on the Think System from The Music Man. First you give him the money. Then you think about what it would be like to have and game with the miniatures. You don't actually need to physically have the minis. You just think about what that would be like.

If it's true that he sold the miniatures at retail before the backers got them, then that is completely unprofessional.

Thanks for the warning. I wasn't planning on buying from him, but I certainly won't now.

Totally unacceptable behaviour

Yup

That's why i prefer to buy from companies that use their own cash to back their own idea's

It may be novel these days but it sure is safer.

Selling to retail before fulfilling pre-orders is a wretched practice, very unprofessional and totally unacceptable.
Looks as if Otherworld are using the Tony Reidy book of business best practice.

Well done for making this known to the wider market Bandit, hope it helps get it sorted.
Consider them blacklisted.

Very nice Mick!

Also very disappointed in Richard and we go back quite a bit. Still holding onto a sliver of hope in receiving my order, but the personal boycott started sometime ago--and I'll never recommed Otherworld to anyone again.

Ugh, that is no good, I would definitely not support Otherworld if this is the case. If you're running a crowd-funding campaign your backers deserve their stuff first, full stop.

-Will

I don't think these critisms of Otherworld are fair. I backed this at the highest level and while I was disappointed to see that some of the miniatures were acvailable at retail before I received mine via kickstarter I am confident that Richard has only done what is necessary to keep his business afloat.

The indegogo campaign was quite ambitious. Look at the packaging – the carrying cases, the wrap-around cardboard art – let alone the top quality miniatures inside. What he has tried to do is offer a premium, professional product. I suspect he has been un-done by 1) increased postage costs and (I suspect) 2) increases in other aspects of his business.

As I think todays update indicates he has been forced to maintain retail sales in order to fulfil the Indiegogo campaign.

My intention, instead of throwing him under the bus, is to provide what support I can. Otherworld offers a voucher system and I am going to buy a Gold Voucher as a way of providing some needed cash-flow. I have until the end of the year to redeem it, so I don't need to tax Otherworld's resources right at this instant. If there other loyal Otherworld fans out there I invite you to do likewise.

Boycotts are not the answer, the only way forward is your continued support.

" I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to all of our backers who are still waiting for their rewards from our 'Dungeon Adventurers' Indiegogo campaign. Some are understandably angry about the delayed fulfilment of the project, but I'd like to assure you once more that you will all receive everything that you pledged for in the next few months.

Our Indiegogo campaign has encountered a number of unforeseen setbacks, and the funds raised were not sufficient to complete the final production and shipment of all rewards. So, I am now left in a difficult position where I need to fund further fulfilment from retail sales of our miniatures. Obviously I would much prefer it if this had not been necessary, but I was not willing to compromise on the quality of the finished product.

So, please continue to be patient, we've made good progress in recent weeks, and every backer will get every miniature that they pledged for as soon as it is possible to ship them out.

Richard Scott, Otherworld Miniatures'

Cheers,

Richard Scott
Otherworld Miniatures
otherworldminiatures.co.uk

Your real problem lies in the future. You'll have trouble getting backers for any other indiegogo project you'll ever want to undertake and I'm a big fan of your miniatures. Gamers have long memories. Well, at least, I won't boycott as you still have to deliver product to your supporters.

I was sick yesterday (payday) so it had to wait until today, but I just bought a Gold Voucher in support of Otherworld. I am confident that Richard will see this through and any cash flow will help. If you have been thinking of ordering now is the time to do it…not a boycott! :-)

I think it depends on whether you are one of the people who has paid hard cash up front for a product that can't be delivered because the vendor doesn't now have the money to do so and is selling "your" product to make enough money to be able to send you your product.

I understand and fully sympathise with what Otherworld has done and why…

BUT

If I was one of the backers that hadn't got my stuff I would not care, I would never have anything to do with him again.

I was a backer. Perhaps I am just more patient than some. Or perhaps b/c I actually have some involvement with the production side of the industry (through the Tekumel Project) I understand a lot of the problems that can arise.

altfritz said: I certainly wouldn't support any sort of "boycott".

So, you're boycotting the boycott?

For those of you interested Kickstarter, a similar thing to Indiegogo, is coming out with a new ToS where by you, the backer, can now take to court the company that you have backed if they have failed to live up to your promises and provided you, the backer, with a sufficient recompense. I would humbly suggest that Indiegogo will do the same so I would prepare the court documents in order to light a fire under this person butt to get a move on. Shouldn't have started this is they could not fund it in the first place.

Obviously not a good businessman….Buyer Beware…

The whole crowd funding thing needs to be viewed as "giving a person money and some years later, you might get some stuff" as opposed to "buying a product".

Maybe we can have all kickstarters begin with "I have some ideas so you should send me money".

This is why I'm hesitant to go onto Kickstarter with my own miniatures project. My brother, who's involved, keeps nagging at me to do it… But I keep saying that you shouldn't take other people's money unless you are -capable- of following through on your promise. That's why I use my own money to fund it. If you screw up, your reputation is done for.