"Sculpting late 13th century in 3D for print+mold" Topic
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Itlerion | 13 May 2014 1:20 p.m. PST |
Hi! i am Itlerion (nick)and started exploring 3D desing in november last year (2013)to sculp for my self and for others.. but for now, that no body knos me haha, i have been makings models for my own empress "Menhir Games". I started with fantasy in 28mm (1/56) and now, after "discovering" 15mm i wanted to make historical, and after reading and studying and asking a lot haha i decided to start with 13th century, and later on continue with 14 and finish with late 15th and first half of 16th century.. anyway, i st arted making europeans, and then will add muslims, mongols and russian (with time.. with time ) I havent finished all units, i will update of course, i still have o make: paseants, mounted crossbow and sargeants, plus the comand group. as for now: ARchers, 6 models
Spearmen/foot sargeants 8 models
Crossbows 6 models
Foot knights 6 models
And mounted knights, horses have not tunic/armor yet. 4 models + 6 horses models
Well, i am fast at sculpting so wait updates frecuently until i finish european and muslims at least (i want to sculp fantasy in 20mm aswell!) Hope you like it. |
vexillia | 13 May 2014 1:40 p.m. PST |
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DyeHard | 13 May 2014 2:14 p.m. PST |
Very impressive! I especially like the horse musculature. Might I suggest that you mix in some poses in more relaxed posture. Such as: Bowmen after release of arrow, drawing arrow from quiver. Crossbowmen re-cocking x-bow, with x-bow lowered some and looking about. Foot troops with weapon and shield lowered somewhat and feet in a more standing pose. |
Itlerion | 13 May 2014 4:48 p.m. PST |
Vexilia: They are renders yes, still have not printed + molding, i will when all european models are done and put here, at least ASAP the printings (faster than wait for printing + molding + casting):) DyeHard: yes you are right, i consider those poses complementary, so first i focused in standing/shooting/fighting poses, but i will add 2 models to each unit type in that situations for example: 2 crossbowman models recocking, 2 archers picking arrows from the bag, 2 spearmen/foot knights at ease etc |
IGWARG1 | 13 May 2014 6:01 p.m. PST |
Your horses need belts for chest and behind. Other than that – good job. |
vexillia | 14 May 2014 1:53 a.m. PST |
I'd be interested in seeing a printed sample of foot and mounted if you have them to spare. -- Martin Stephenson Vexillia Limited :: Wargames Miniatures & Accessories Shop | Gallery | Pike & Plunder | Facebook | Twitter |
LeonAdler | 15 May 2014 11:43 p.m. PST |
Nice work. Not sure about the mail armour, looks a bit basic for 15's and if those are studded brigadines the bowmen are wearing seems to me the studs are not 'proud' enough. The lowered lances on the mtd figs are being held way to far forward and all the weapons are too 'GW' size for my liking so look the wrong size and shape. Oh that all sounds negative, not meant to be but its crap when you produce something with 'errors' that people saw but didn't say anything because they didnt want to sound critical. Its too late when they have been printed/moulded. L |
Itlerion | 17 May 2014 3:53 p.m. PST |
hi leon! the archers, no one is using armour they just have fabric Doublet, they are por paseants with enought money to make bow and arrows :) then you are right with the mounted units, i will improve the right arm posstion. And the weapons sizes, they look bigger, because you are seing the image with "zoom", the truth is that any of them is more than 2,5mm wide neither more than 1,5mm thick (swords and axe) for example the lances are 1,8mm diameter.. check with the ruler is that is a lot :P with this i mean that, if i make them smaller or thiner, they wont be paintable, neither clonable , the metal would not travel trought the "veins" of the miniature.. constructive critics are good and necesary! :) thanks. |
Itlerion | 17 May 2014 3:55 p.m. PST |
Vexilia, as soon as i have them printed, i will upload pics. |
Itlerion | 19 May 2014 3:11 p.m. PST |
ok here i finished the armed Paseants :) They are 6 models, 4 of which have separated "weapons" to exchange, a spear, a flail and a garden fork? (dunno the word in english) The man with the hammer and the one above him (with flail) are going to be 1 piece, so those 2 cant changethe weapons/tools
And last, a pic with a model in "real size" (it depends on the monitor i guess :P )
So now, before continue with the last models (holibars,sargeants and infantry + mounted comand group) i will finish %110 fixing the other models, that is: finishing the personalised faces to spearmen and crossbows, fixing mounted knights right arm position, and adding tunic/armor to knights horses :) |
Itlerion | 21 May 2014 8:49 p.m. PST |
OK. done with the fixes :D. THe spearmen faces:
well, i didnt screenshoted the crossbows faces :P SO then, i fixes the cavalery right arm "position" and decided to sculpt the horses tunic and armors by hand, so i have to print less horses (i will print the 6 different models and cast copies and work on that copies, keeping the original for no armour troops). After that i started making mounted sargeants.. in this case, different from knights, the 4 models that i will make, will have 2 right arm option, to put a arm with spear, or to put an arm with a crossbow, so you can ahve mounted sargeants or mounted crossbow! :). I have done 2 models so far, tomorrow i will end the other 2.. and then, make at last the hobilars
BTW: i have already started talking with 3D printers, i will be printing this week and have the prints in another eek is everything goes well, i will print one of each: 1 cross bow, 1 paseant, 1 foot knight, 2 spearmen and 1 mounted knight + 1 horse to check prices and sculpts :) PS: this blog entry has the pictures in BIG
link cya! |
thehawk | 24 May 2014 2:31 a.m. PST |
Cubejet's $5,000 USD color 3d printer should be available soon. I think the writing might be on the wall for metal and plastic minis. It's already possible to print figures "pre-painted" that are 100% anatomically perfect but the printer costs $60,000. USD It's just the cost that is currently prohibitive. I saw one site that allows you pose and print a fantasy hero figure in color. |
LeonAdler | 24 May 2014 3:11 p.m. PST |
'100% anatomically perfect' Good job the figures will be then because very few actual human beings are lol Nice to be written off as a profession so casually ( yet again)lol L |
thehawk | 24 May 2014 7:50 p.m. PST |
Leon, you'll just have to learn how to 3D sculpt or get someone else to do it. Itlerion, I am greatly interested in seeing how your prints turn out. |
LeonAdler | 26 May 2014 3:46 a.m. PST |
Hawk, Rather depends on whether you think the 3 d sculpts are better, my experience so far is they are anything but. Sculpting is a bit more than producing a small human being wearing fancy dress
L |
Itlerion | 26 May 2014 7:22 p.m. PST |
well guys, thanks for your coments. you have to understand how 3d prints works: there are low and normal definition, and high/HDefinition, it is all about how many layer of material the printer "prints" in 1milimeter. the low and normal printers (all those that scost less than AS MINIMUM 100.000 dollars) print like an average of 10-20 layers per milimetre.. or , 100 micron or
0,1 milimetre as the best, and then 200 micron or 0,2 milimetre as bad , very low, that is 5 layers per milimetre. a high definition, makes 40-50 layers per milimetre, you cant notice the layers, they are SO small, like 20 microns, that is 0,02 milimetre.. and those prints, taht are like x8 more expensive are used as ORIGINAL sculpts, to be molded and then spin casting or resin cast.. in resume, there are people that thinks that 3D miniatures are 1 print per miniature: if you want/need 20 archers and 20 spearmen, you will ahve to print 20 archers and 20 spearman.. NO, maybe with the low-poor definition ones.. but a 30mm miniauture averages 90 euro, will you spend 1800 euros por 20 30mm archers? taht is non-sense :P So, you just have to print one of each model, and MOLD them and then CAST :D and you sell then at whatever price you want, but never 90 euros jaja. So, i say this because those web sites like i.materialisse and others, are low/medium quality, the best resolution they will have is 0,1 milimetre (100 microns) which is 10 layers per milimetre.. you cant (unless you dont care XD) mold that layered miniature and sell that like a product :) anda good HD/HQ printer, is like 300.000K dollars, but might deecrease with time.. but NEVER less than 50.000, never :o unless NOT a big-for-work HD printer, maybe a little one yes.. but in a couple of years ;) |
vexillia | 17 Jun 2014 8:03 a.m. PST |
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Itlerion | 19 Jun 2014 7:50 a.m. PST |
yes i have sent to print 1 model of each unit (2 spearmen, 1 archer, 1 paseant, 1 foot knight and 1 crossbow man), to have, check everything okay, and if everything is okay, i will launch a crowdfunding campaing soon. The 3D print should arrive this month, i will take phtos and then send them to mould and make master copies for prouction molds, and paint some copies of course, to show you, and to show in the campaing :) Just in case, Vexilia i link you to my facebook, i update there at least 1 or 2 times per week with the sculpts i am making. link |
Itlerion | 16 Jul 2014 1:31 p.m. PST |
ok at last! i got the 3D prints, i have to send them to cast now.. and have the first copies. 2spearmen, 1 archer, 1 paseant, 1 crossbow and 1 foot knight..
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