"The new Warhammer 40K is being "pulled" by GW?" Topic

I read that GW is pulling the new rule book for WH40K for some reason. I wonder what is going on? I am not upset, or even going to buy the new rules when they do come out. Still, what is GW's logic?

I read that Proctor & Gamble is pulling the new Human Resources rules for some reason. I wonder what is going on? I am not upset, or even going to read the new rules when they do come out. Still, what is Proctor & Gamble's logic?

You are actually asking for reasoned opinions on a hypothetical?

Add that you admittedly don't have any reason to care about because you will not get invested in it anyways be it true or false?

I am sorry if I am coming off like an ass, not what I meant to do, but I still have to say – really?

What is GW logic?

Simple money.

They more than likely want to cut out the cost of printing Books and want to go digital with their rules.

I used to work for them, and have a number of 40K armies. As the largest miniatures manufacturer in the world, it may be interesting to me to hear speculation and think about GW's motives. Mardaddy, you need not comment, look at, or participate in the speculation or conjecture. You've made your view clear. I am just curious about the largest gorilla in the zoo.

My guess is they're going to produce a big '6.5' compilation book that ties in the material from the expansion books about Strongholds and Superheavies. I don't think they're going to go all digital; that's a pretty big barrier for entry for everyone who likes the feel of a rulebook in their hands. But what do I know? My army (Sisters of Battle) went digital-only so you never know…

Also, GW rarely is straightforward in their communication with the rest of the hobby, or their own fans. So, speculate away.

I agree with Stormfather. It has been long rumored a new edition was in the works, and there has been a lot of speculation on what it will entail. Best rumors I've seen is that it will incorporate some of the new material, and clean up the rules a bit.

Damon.

However Damon, if they had already had the new rulebook written and edited with all the sections and additions you both suggested, and then pulled the plug on the publication date. Why? Unless they didn't include the sections you both thought of.

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You misread the article. They are pulling the current 6th Edition from retailers because the 7th edition is on the way.

Well 6th Edition sucked anyway due to the Large Models and Flyers.

Made GW a ton of money though.

But then 40K as sucked since 4th Edition.

I received a news item from GW this morning that said that they were pulling all Sixth edition stuff in preparation for the release of Seventh. So no speculation necessary!

Peterx, we now get to tell people if they are allowed to participate in a thread?
Wow. I wish I had that power.

I do have that power? Wow, all this time and I didn't know.

I don't care about the rules, but I would like a new starter box with some cool new plastic miniatures.

A new army or an old one like the Squats would breathe some new life into the game.

Just wait for the 8th edition.

I'm sure it is only months away.

God. 7th edition? REALLY? Wait, what do I care? I play 15mm.

Carry on.

There was a sidebar that mentioned Squats. So they had to pull the book and destroy them all. That's my speculation, and I'm sticking to it ~,~

I thought folks were liking 6th? I'd heard good things about it…

Hey! Maybe 7 will be a happy return to the smaller battles, open-ended forces and general attitude of wacky scifi fun that Rogue Trader has!!!
If only…

After a year of blitzing expensive hardcover codexes, they pull an edition change.

Aggressive churn of customer base in 3… 2…

So i have less than a month till when i will start hearing all the GW hate on models being outdated and unusable?

Grimm

I have no right to comment. I play in the true scale and just look on and shake my head in pity for the poor 40k players. Brothers leave 40k and find a real set of rules. And play in the one true scale 15mm. Its the only way to real happiness.

Amen Stealth 1000

Umm… I just bought a copy of Dark Vengeance (on discount of course) like two weeks ago. I hope they aren't edition changing already.
40K isn't my first choice of games, or ever like my ninth or tenth choice. But it's what the only local group I know of plays. So I broke down and bought back in.

I have no right to comment. I play in the true scale and just look on and shake my head in pity for the poor 40k players. Brothers leave 40k and find a real set of rules. And play in the one true scale 15mm. Its the only way to real happiness.

Thats a nice idea but not everyone has the luxury of lots of gamer friends or even a place to play at home. Lots of people play 40k because it is easily accessible and you can walk into any GW store and a lot of independent game stores and find a game.

There's some rumors on Dakka from reasonably reliable sources that the new version is coming soon, also that the new starter set will not have a complete mini-version of the rules as previous editions have.

This may be the nail in the coffin for 40k and me. I only play a couple times a year, but I've continued to buy the rulebook and codexes for my 2 armies each edition since 2nd. With not being able to pickup a cheap complete mini-rulebook, and codexes all being hardcover books that cost $50 USD, I don't think I can afford it anymore.

Nearly $200 USD in rulebooks just to play is ridiculous, especially if they're now going to update the rules every two years rather than 4.

I'll be using Warpath, WarEngine or old editions of 40k from now on. Kind of a shame, since I actually thought 6th edition was a definite improvement.

So i have less than a month till when i will start hearing all the GW hate on models being outdated and unusable?

Yup, I would love to see GW come out and state that all of those Flyers & Large models that their Fan Boyz brought can't be used anymore.

I stopped with 2nd and they work just fine. When 3rd came out I started laughing around page 5 and did not stop till the end. :) I never spent any money on their rules since. they just keep getting dumber and they keep jumping the shark tank over and over and my god their pricing is just unreal. I don't understand why anyone thinks their stuff is worth the money.

On their website the digital version is still available.

Yup, I would love to see GW come out and state that all of those Flyers & Large models that their Fan Boyz brought can't be used anymore.

I remember when, just before 3rd came out, they were pushing Legion of the Damned. I actually liked the mysterious background to these guys, so was pretty excited that they were going to publish rules for them in White Dwarf.
The month before the rules were to be published, GW was offering all sorts of (expensive) conversion sets to create your own Legion forces with jump packs, bikes, etc.
Then the rules for the Legion were published the following month, which included none of the unit types that were being sold the previous month.
Then 3rd edition came out a month or two after that, which nullified the Legion rules entirely.

GW/FW employees should wear masks for the highway robbery prices they charge for their goods. And some how managed to "brainwash" a small minority of the world's populus to pay those prices … Capitalism at its best, just what Marx warned us about ! Microsoft pulled support for Windows XP, even though almost 30% of their customers still use it. Maybe GW is trying to play with the big boys and try something similar ? Based on the current trends in some locales, the next 40K rule set will be in excess of 1900 pages and no one will read it before or after it's publication. Followed by a not user friendly website … < I'm kidding, I'm kidding, please fearless, all knowing and wise editor do not "Dawg Haus" me ! >

Could Marx have been foretelling GW in Das Kapital? lol

"Value, therefore, does not stalk about with a label describing what it is." Marx

7th Edition Warhammer 40K incoming? I can't wait for my free rulebook upgrade like Battlefront did!

Lots of people play 40k because it is easily accessible and you can walk into any GW store and a lot of independent game stores and find a game.

True, unless you live in one of those areas of the US where there isn't one. The closest GW store to me is a 5-hour drive away.

Nearly $200 USD in rulebooks just to play is ridiculous, especially if they're now going to update the rules every two years rather than 4.

There's a cheap and easy answer for that: Stargrunt!

Right on, javelin98. The last time I checked, my state doesn't have a single GW store. The closest one is in Atlanta

True, unless you live in one of those areas of the US where there isn't one. The closest GW store to me is a 5-hour drive away.

Pick nits much? My comment was for those people who do have a GW store or an independent game store close by.

Its hard enough to find other gamers as it is let alone ones that you actually want to spend time with. Then of those you have to find someone who either shares your particular interest or can be persuaded to try out a particular set of rules. Its nice once in a while to be able to walk into a game store (If you have one nearby Javelin :) )and get a pick up game of Warhammer/FOW/Warmachine.

THe fact that they are pulling the 6th ed stuff is mighty nice of them. In the past, they just left it on the shelves up til the last minute. However pulling it with one months notice is hardly better. As soon as you buy and disgest 6th ed it will be obsolete.

Thats a nice idea but not everyone has the luxury of lots of gamer friends or even a place to play at home. Lots of people play 40k because it is easily accessible and you can walk into any GW store and a lot of independent game stores and find a game.

NO wargaming is better than BAD wargaming. If it comes down to playing crappy games with strangers or… playing a video game, reading a book, baking a cake… no contest.

Chuck05,
I see what you're saying. The truth is that If I didn't have my gaming group (that plays mostly other games) and lived somewhere where only the "big" games were played, I'd probably spring for the new rules. Of course in that scenario 40k would probably be my only game and wouldn't be competing with games like Song of Blades, Kings of War and all the other games my gaming buddies play.

In the past, I could limp along just upadating my rules, but at this point, it's hard to justify $180 USD in books just to keep playing a game a few times a year.

All this said, if I were just starting out, I wouldn't do 40k. Even the other premium games (Warmachine, etc) have much more reasonable buy-ins.

Javelin 98,
Thanks for the suggestion, but Stargrunt (and similar games like 5150 and Tomorrow's war) isn't really a good replacement for 40k. It's an entirely different kind of game more aimed at harder sci-fi.

Luckily there are rulesets like Warpath and WarEngine that give the same sort of game as 40k (i.e. lighthearted, sci-fantasy with a bit too much close combat) with a fraction of the rules for a fraction (or free) of the cost and play out in half the time.

Just for the record I havent played a game of 40k in probably 6 or 7 years. I did buy the current boxed set and a couple of army books. I just havent got around to playing. My group mainly plays historicals with some pulp thrown in as well. If it werent for my group I probably wouldnt have played many games. The GW store in my area is an hour away. I also something of an introvert and dont enjoy playing games with strangers.

The folks you play with are usually the biggest component of the fun… followed by a nice setup with snacks and nice terrain, nice looking minis. The rules are a distant runner in that formula… so yeah, the random draw of strangers doesn't suit me either, regardless of what game is on the table.

6th was just that bad. Even at two years, seventh is overdue.

The folks you play with are usually the biggest component of the fun…

True, but when it comes to 40K Fan Boyz quite a lot of them are nothing but WAACer's.

I've played 2 games of 6th edition in 2 years.

The first was to see if I liked it.
The second was to confirm that I didn't.

RazorMind
Could Marx have been foretelling GW in Das Kapital? lol

"Value, therefore, does not stalk about with a label describing what it is." Marx

I agree ! I still dread working on my Epic Tau from Forge World. The older resin they used is extremely brittle/fragile and certainly not gamer-friendly !!!!! But very expensive !!!!! And yet … I still bought them !!!?!?!?

I overheard the manager at our local speculating that the next ed will be like a "6.5" using the current rules with an add-on component. 6th will not be completely obsolete, but will receive an "upgrade".

Cheers

w.

That will cost players to shell out around $100 USD for the new rulebook.

GW will do anything for a buck.

So one of the new changes is that they are going to use a system similar to WFB Magic dice for the Psychic Phase.

Yes is not a good thing.

But what is a good thing is that you no longer have to live by that lousy Force Composition Chart.

You can now field more than six units of troops.

imgur.com/a/Kbyu1#0

So my 130 Gretchen can now see the table top again along with as many Orks that I can fit into a 2000 point list.

Which by the way is a lot.

I can now field the Avatar, a Farseer or two and an Autarch into an Eldar army plus loads of Guardians, Dire Avengers and other Aspect Warriors.

Oh how I have hated the Force Composition Chart.

Though it is not gone yet and you can still use it.

I would never use it.

So I can field a large army of Veterans for my Imperial Guard with many Special Weapon Sections.

I'm hearing $80 USD for the rulebook and it will be a 'set' of three hardcovers in one slipcase; the rules, the fluff and a hobby book on painting and assembling etc.

So is that $80 USD for each of them because that would be more to GW standards of screwing over their customers.