Tango01 | 28 Apr 2014 10:08 p.m. PST |
"On April 26th, 2014, a keel-laying ceremony in presence of Admiral Viktor Viktorovich Chirkov (Russian Navy's Commander-in-Chief) took place at Nevsky Shipyard for a new generation of Replenishment Oiler for the Russian Navy. Described by the shipyard as "Medium-sized sea tanker Academician Pashin" (Project 23130) the vessel is the first tanker to be built for the Russian Navy since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The new class of vessel will bring much needed logistical and replenishment at sea support to the Russian Navy fleet
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Full article here link Amicalement Armand |
BigDan | 28 Apr 2014 10:38 p.m. PST |
Really? One rig station per side and no apparent way to do vertrep? |
dragon6 | 28 Apr 2014 10:45 p.m. PST |
She's not very large, tiny really. I wouldn't expect much from such a small oiler and probably nothing but fuel. |
whoa Mohamed | 29 Apr 2014 5:31 a.m. PST |
She bears at least 6 fire stations so more then likely she will deliver moastly fuel,she does have a medium cargo frame hoist abaft the undersized flight deck so she does have some vetrep capability but may have to rely on the ships she is feeding for the helo.While she only has two RAS stations they do look able to handle 6 lines or so P&S and the lack od large surface units (1 small CV and what 2 BGNs)She is big enough to handle the usual small Soviet surface groups.IMHO. |
PHGamer | 29 Apr 2014 6:27 a.m. PST |
The article does state "tanker may transfer dry cargo by air by helicopter." |
BigDan | 29 Apr 2014 12:01 p.m. PST |
Whoa Mo, You are right, some RAS capability is better than none and might be enough for their needs. There is a cargo boom, but where/how do they stage and move cargo to the hoist and from hoist to flt deck? I guess 1 pallet hand staged and moved by fork truck one at a time? The RAS stations would be probably be capable of 2 hoses each, the staging you are seeing there at the top of the rig would be pulleys for the steel cable supporting the "saddles" for the hose. More than likely 1 hose for DFM and 1 for jet. Perhaps this is more of a "proof of concept" and training ship than an actual RAS ship. |
SouthernPhantom | 29 Apr 2014 8:11 p.m. PST |
Well, he's (using the Russian convention) specifically designed as a tanker. The Russians don't yet launch massive expeditionary task groups like the USN, so a modest (but new) fleet oiler is probably sufficient for now. |
BigDan | 29 Apr 2014 10:12 p.m. PST |
I understand your point but Replenishment At Sea is as much about speed of delivery as quantity. 2 ships 180' apart is inherently dangerous and the longer the evolution takes the more likely you will have a mishap. For all of the US expertise there are still collisions (rubbing is RASing) just about every year
hell it seems like the Yukon has a collision just about every year! Speed is why having an area to stage cargo is as important as being able to send it over on a cargo rig or VERTREP and why having multiple rigs sending fuel is so important. If you look at British, Canadian, Japanese and American replenishment ships they all have multiple fuel stations per side and relatively large helo decks with plenty of space to stage cargo, plenty of cargo space and plenty of room between the two. |
Lion in the Stars | 30 Apr 2014 9:06 a.m. PST |
If you look at British, Canadian, Japanese and American replenishment ships they all have multiple fuel stations per side and relatively large helo decks with plenty of space to stage cargo, plenty of cargo space and plenty of room between the two. Not to mention deliver fuel at bloody obscene pressures/flow volumes, so that the entire fuel load can be transferred as fast as possible. There's a reason the US and UK do their underway replenishment on Sundays, so that everyone prays that the operation is successful immediately before commencing! |
PHGamer | 30 Apr 2014 1:01 p.m. PST |
I think Sunday replenishment is just to give the crew something to do on a "day off" Regarding obscene pressures, what do you regard as obscene? I was the phone talker during unreps and somewhat of a math wiz and worked out the numbers. On normal days we would take 50 psi (or 1,250 gal/min) and wished for 75 psi (or 1,875 gal/min). But there was one day we refueled from a British tanker where the pressure truly was obscene. As I described in the Story From the Cold War titled Be Careful What You Wish For. link Enjoy! |