| Tango01 | 23 Apr 2014 12:32 p.m. PST |
SPOILER ALERT! Interesting comparison between the serie and the book. "One of the great strengths of Game of Thrones is that it isn't afraid to change. Not only has it killed off some of its most popular characters, but over the last three seasons we've seen many—perhaps even most—of the cast evolve tremendously. And not just heroes like Daenerys, who started as a powerless victim and became a fearsome commander, but also several unpleasant villains who developed enough layers and dimensions that they suddenly didn't seem quite as bad as they did before. But let's keep it in perspective. Sure, Jaime saved Brienne—but he's also the man who pushed Bran out a window. Yes, the Hound saved Arya repeatedly (and even gave her a horse!), but he's also the guy who murdered her friend Mycah in cold blood. And yes, Littlefinger tried to save Sansa, but he's also the man who betrayed Ned and put a knife to his neck. It's easy to develop a selective memory, to remember the first part and not the second part, because one of those stories is a lot more pleasant than the other. Like Sansa and Arya, we slowly want to turn this back into the good story, the one about noble knights or at least the rogues with hearts of gold who did the right thing in the end. This week's episode is here to remind both of those girls, and us, of the truth: this is not a pleasant story…"
Full article here.
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| John the OFM | 23 Apr 2014 12:43 p.m. PST |
The book was published in 2000.
The TV show's episode aired on Sunday. Anyone clicking on a GoT title and not expecting SPOILERS is a fool. Heck, I was so into the books and show when the show first aired that I started to Google all the characters and ran into Ned and Red SPOILERS way before I got to them in the books. Whose fault? Mine and mine alone. Hopefully, when Book 6 comes out I will buy it on The Day and not skip ahead.  |
| Mardaddy | 23 Apr 2014 1:07 p.m. PST |
Sorry – the article's author is not familiar enough with the subject to have credibility. Two of the three examples he gives are NOT examples of the layered morality he is insinuating… The Hound saving Arya was for his own selfish purposes, each time, not for some higher morality or cause. He was going to leverage her to get what he wanted from others. Same with Littlefinger "saving" Sansa; no altruism involved there either, she is a means to an end, a tool. While other examples DO exist, it is evident the article is only superficially aware of the subject he is espousing. AND – The books about with: 1. Leaders and Lords putting honor or love first, and being killed.
2. Knights doing the right thing, and being killed.
3. Rogues with hearts of gold, who get killed. So the author saying he wants the story to get back to being a "good" story AGAIN shows he has not been paying attention… |
| The Beast Rampant | 23 Apr 2014 1:40 p.m. PST |
Yeah, I can't see anyone thinking Baelish might have sort of thought about turning over a new leaf. And right after icing her rescuer at that! He's the very definition of amorality. |
| Sajiro | 23 Apr 2014 2:21 p.m. PST |
Baelish is a villian? I've read through the books many times but I did NOT see that coming… I was hoping at the end of the series Baelish would get stuck with Ceresi in a Charle-Sheen-falls-in-with Lindsey-Lohan kind of train wreck. |
| Thomas Thomas | 23 Apr 2014 2:30 p.m. PST |
The mini-serias has botched both Stannis and Jamie mostly due to timing factors (the author carefully juggles arrivals and goings something the mini-serias writers go badly wrong). They are much more complex and interesting in the books. They have also wobbled on the Hound and may have left out a key event. His bitter backstory and flashes of nobility are muddled in the TV version. Peter Baelish motivations cannot be understood outside his obsession with Catyln Stark. In the novels she and Sansa bear a striking resemblence, missed out on by the last minute casting (caused by the pregnancy of the original actress). Amongest the books themes are violence begets violence and humans must cooperate to survive. TomT |
| darthfozzywig | 23 Apr 2014 2:50 p.m. PST |
Baelish is a villian? I've read through the books many times but I did NOT see that coming… LOL. I love Littlefinger as a slimy character. "Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder." |
| jowady | 23 Apr 2014 3:05 p.m. PST |
So the message is that people are rotten and no good deed goes unpunished? I am shocked, shocked I say! Since GoT takes at least some of its inspiration from The Wars of the Roses we shouldn't be surprised. After all Sir Thomas Malory, a knight in those wars wrote "L Mort D'Arthur" during them in a hope that folks would return to a more Chivalrous mode of behavior. |
| Goonfighter | 23 Apr 2014 3:07 p.m. PST |
I think that anyone who watched or read Ned Stark behead the deserter from the Nightswatch and still thought this was going to be a "good" story really needed to put it down and just watch "Legend" again. This tale is not going to end well. There is talk of Marshall's karmic approach, I remain unconvinced on that one. I expect Daenerys to go full on barking mad Targaryen before close of play – "Poor man want to be rich, rich man want to be king, and a king ain't satisfied til he rules everything" as Bruce Springsteen put it. |
| John the OFM | 23 Apr 2014 3:51 p.m. PST |
The closest the series gets to a Francis of Assisi is the King Baelor the Blessed, who is almost universally mocked.
I also think that Ned beheaded the deserter with a rather "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do" attitude. His story was irrelevant. |
| Goonfighter | 23 Apr 2014 4:09 p.m. PST |
Indeed Ned Stark did what he had to do according to his code – but it's still a hard code which is only more honest in its brutality than that of other Houses. All I'm saying is that this was never going to be a nice story. |
| darthfozzywig | 23 Apr 2014 4:59 p.m. PST |
One thing has always annoyed me about that deserter from the Watch. He deserted NORTH of the Wall, but somehow was found wandering south of the Wall. Like no one noticed Flunky Crow passing by? |
| John the OFM | 23 Apr 2014 5:44 p.m. PST |
Ya know…
That's a good question! |
| Mardaddy | 23 Apr 2014 5:53 p.m. PST |
LIKE A BOSS, alone – with no rope, scaling gear or preparation beforehand, he climbed the 700ft wall and climbed back down safely on the other side, in an unpatrolled section… |
| altfritz | 23 Apr 2014 7:30 p.m. PST |
How do the odd Dire Wolves get around the wall? Like the one at the start of the books. |
| doug redshirt | 23 Apr 2014 7:59 p.m. PST |
They mention several times that people basically float around the end of the wall. They build a boat and just paddle. The Watch has galleys to stop this, but due to maning issues they don't patrol often enough. Also they keep mentioning in the books how some people living in the North have Wildling blood. Animals can just swim around it also. |
| saltflats1929 | 23 Apr 2014 10:15 p.m. PST |
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finally starts his first Four Enemies campaign.
