Kyle Chandler | 22 Apr 2014 9:05 p.m. PST |
i just got a hold of the rules for Fire and Fury and I really want to play it ,but It's going to be very tough for me to make 580 something bases to refight the battles in the book. Is there any way to reduce the number of bases needed, or scenarios that don't require sooo many bases? |
Trierarch | 22 Apr 2014 10:21 p.m. PST |
There are some scenarios on the F&F website pease1.sr.unh.edu/FnF You could also use parts of the included scenarios. either divided geographically or chronologically. |
CATenWolde | 22 Apr 2014 11:51 p.m. PST |
If you're talking about Regimental Fire & Fury, there's an easy way to cut the number of bases in half. The basing system calls for a double rank of bases for almost all formations – simply use one rank, mentally double the number of actual bases for game math purposes, and use a casualty marker to indicate when a "ghost" base has been eliminated. Cheers, Christopher |
bruntonboy | 23 Apr 2014 2:29 a.m. PST |
Convert numbers of bases in each unit to points and use a roster to record the strength of the unit instead. Alternatively count each base as (say) two bases and simply mark it when a base should be removed as "half dead" |
Dexter Ward | 23 Apr 2014 2:33 a.m. PST |
As others say, just treat each of your bases as two bases and mark single base casualties. In the case of the original brigade level game, I also had success just halving the numbers of units in some of the big scenarios; for instance I managed it with the Shiloh scenario allowing it to be fought in about 3 hours instead of the 6 or so of the original (and of course you only need half as many figures). You need to tinker a bit with commanders, combining divisions to get the same ratio of commanders to brigades, but it works fine. |
pegasusfridge | 23 Apr 2014 3:57 a.m. PST |
Or use two figures per stand. |
Cold Steel | 23 Apr 2014 4:20 a.m. PST |
I reduce the number of bases by one third or half, depending on the scenario, with no other changes. Works fine in both brigade and regimental scale. |
GROSSMAN | 23 Apr 2014 5:35 a.m. PST |
Just keep it all on a paper roster, marking of stands as you lose them. |
ashauace6970 | 23 Apr 2014 6:30 a.m. PST |
We based on the correct size but only placed 2 figs. Per Got the right frontage and it still looks good. |
Frederick | 23 Apr 2014 7:24 a.m. PST |
For big games we use the "2 base equals 1" as noted above |
Kyle Chandler | 23 Apr 2014 11:33 a.m. PST |
I like the 2 bases equals 1 but what did you do when a brigade called for odd number of bases? |
Saber6 | 23 Apr 2014 11:39 a.m. PST |
What aspect of the "too many" is daunting? The sheer number? The figures to go with it? Do it in doses and get friends to help. There are other scenario books too. Fire and Fury is OK with "generic" Union and Rebel stands. |
tommyb2985 | 23 Apr 2014 12:09 p.m. PST |
"I like the 2 bases equals 1 but what did you do when a brigade called for odd number of bases?" One of the bases in the Brigade will start the game with a casualty marker indicating that it is half a base. |
tommyb2985 | 23 Apr 2014 12:15 p.m. PST |
Here are 58 scenarios for F&F auction |
Syr Hobbs Wargames | 23 Apr 2014 3:22 p.m. PST |
Smaller scales, like 10mm or 6mm etc looks impressive and a lot eaiser to paint than than larger scales. For me, using a smaller scale makes the number of bases less of an issue. Besides they look great. Duane
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1968billsfan | 28 Apr 2014 8:12 a.m. PST |
Doesn't counting one base as two change the range of fire vesus movement equation of the rules? |
CATenWolde | 06 May 2014 12:03 p.m. PST |
No it doesn't, because the rules mandate two actual ranks of bases. If you use only one rank, you don't change unit frontages at all. I actually went another route, and used 2x 15mm bases (with 3x 10mm figures each) to replace the two ranks of 25mm wide bases suggested by the rules. Same number of bases, but nice, solid linear look to the units. |
vonLoudon | 14 May 2014 12:51 p.m. PST |
The European fire and fury group do this army is 6 bases per or 8 bases per unit. So each brigade in that army has the same strength so your casualty breaks will be the same also. |
DWilliams | 10 Jun 2014 6:41 a.m. PST |
It's pretty obvious that the 3/4 x 1 inch infantry base sizes specified for RF&F assumed wargamers were using the 'smaller' scaled 15mm figures such as Minifigs, Old Glory15s, Peter Pig, etc. I have found it's a challenge to squeeze three of the 'larger' 15mm figures (actually more like 18mm) made by AB and/or Blue Moon/OG. So, if you are considering just 2 figures per infantry base, you might want to use the larger 18mm figures. They will cover a lot more of the base than the smaller 15mm's. - Don |
Nadir Shah | 10 Jun 2014 5:27 p.m. PST |
Hi Massachusetts Continental, I have found that the 3/4 by 1 inch bases are tricky if using 4 figures to a base, but manageable. All my Union and Confederate troops 100 + bases each side are all done using 4 figures and all my troops my Old Glory 15's which are not quite as big as AB/Blue Moon being about 16.5mm per figure, although they are certainly bigger than most other 15mm. If using three figures for AB/Blue Moon 18mm you will do just fine. |
Regulars | 10 Jun 2014 7:02 p.m. PST |
The RFF base size is suggested for 15mm figures pand is not mandatory. What is key is that base size is standard for the same type of troops which is necessary for some of the game mechanics to work properly. Re-basing is not necessary. For other scales such as 6mm or 28mm Rich makes Quick Reference Sheets available on the support web site and we have play tested using different base sizes for larger figures. Best Joel |
GGouveia | 15 Jun 2014 7:56 p.m. PST |
Try FnF at either 1:200 or 1:300 by doubling the figure scale. Problem solved. IIRC the scale for scenarios is one man to 150. |
Old Contemptibles | 15 Jun 2014 10:41 p.m. PST |
Find another set of rules like JR3 or Mr. Lincoln's War. Mr. Lincoln's war is a lot less "intense" than JR3 and you don't have the basing issues that JR has. MLW is not written very well, however there are plenty of player aids and a better organized sequence of play on their yahoo group site. Once you catch on to the rules it plays well. |
Who asked this joker | 16 Jun 2014 1:10 p.m. PST |
Try FnF at either 1:200 or 1:300 by doubling the figure scale. Problem solved. IIRC the scale for scenarios is one man to 150. Most sensible suggestion. |
Royal Marine | 17 Jun 2014 7:32 a.m. PST |
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Kyle Chandler | 19 Jun 2014 6:15 p.m. PST |
CGouveia: I think ill try doubling the figure scale to 1:300 , would you suggest keeping all other things the same at 1:300 or would you count casualties as needing 2 "hits" to remove a base since its double? |
GGouveia | 06 Jul 2014 8:54 p.m. PST |
Nah, keep it the same, just double the groundscale. a stand now has 300 instead of 150 and for firing 15mm stand is still 300 men firing at a stand id 300. Art fore points I would then half as you are not changing art bases. |