Molesworth1 | 13 Apr 2014 2:42 p.m. PST |
I put my Austro-Prussian collection on the table for,the first time last week, using Black Powder. Thanks to crappy generalship on my part it didn't really work but better luck next time. link Hope you like it. |
Yankees | 13 Apr 2014 3:04 p.m. PST |
Black powder is a fantasy game, has nothing to do with any of those periods it covers. Horrible game, there're is better games out there, get away from warhammer. There are three results in combat when you shoot or melee. You hit your enemy, you miss your enemy, you suppress your enemy. I cant see what the hell a saving throw is, it's never seen in any historical text. What is it? Try they died for glory, better game then black powder. |
MajorB | 13 Apr 2014 3:09 p.m. PST |
Black powder is a fantasy game, has nothing to do with any of those periods it covers. That is your opinion. Others will disagree. Horrible game, there are better games out there, get away from Warhammer. Black Powder (IMHO) is nothing like Warhammer. I can't see what the hell a saving throw is, it's never seen in any historical text. What is it? A saving roll is a way of reducing the effectiveness of combat results without overcomplicating the game mechanic or requiring the use of polyhedral dice. You don't see "rolling dice to hit" in any historical text either. The use of saving throws in wargames rules dates back at least to the 60s in some of Don Featherstone's rules. |
Rudi the german | 13 Apr 2014 3:22 p.m. PST |
molesworth, Very very nice. No one who is not colleting this period has any clue how tough it is to put a battle like this together. (Painting, organisation and cost wise) This period is the "King's class" and you have there a very nice battle. Congratiolations! Greetings PS: we should have a private chat and i could advise you some better rules for that period. In the "King's class" you deserve better. |
jurgenation | 13 Apr 2014 4:11 p.m. PST |
I have been painting this period for over twenty years, always adding on especially when Helion/Northstar got in the game,it never ends. You have a great collection and beautiful setup,our group uses houserules,but we have been using them for thirty years,we just are not going to learn new ones we are just getting to old to switch.I do not know Blackpowder,but everyone should play with what they like it does not matter what anyone else thinks,its a hobby and supposed to be fun
so enjoy your great collection and thanx for the pictures. |
John Leahy | 13 Apr 2014 4:20 p.m. PST |
Really great looking game!
1866 draws my interest much more than 1870. Prussian artillery doctrine and quality is not what it later becomes in 1870. The Austrians are actually better. The Austrians did attack on columns. They often defended in line. They certainly had opportunities to really smack the Prussians around during the initial phase of the War. I would be VERY curious to see how thing went if both the Saxons and Federal Corps had joined the main Austrian Army. Thanks, John |
Ragbones | 13 Apr 2014 6:01 p.m. PST |
Great looking game. Enjoyed reading about it. Looking forward to more. |
Twilight Samurai | 13 Apr 2014 6:40 p.m. PST |
At the end of the day, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how pretty the table looked :) |
Zurlauben | 14 Apr 2014 2:01 a.m. PST |
Molesworth, Good to see this. I am developing quite an interest in this era. keep it up. Z |
Decebalus | 14 Apr 2014 2:59 a.m. PST |
Wonderful game. Interesting war. Remember 2016 ist 200 years. I agree that BP arent the best rules for this war. I would use other rules or some house rules to better reflect the specials of this war. (I dont understand for example, why BP gives modern rifles longer range but not more firepower. The problem the austrians had with the needle rifle wasnt the range, it was the speed of firing). |
Martin Rapier | 14 Apr 2014 4:43 a.m. PST |
1866 is my favourite of all the late nineteenth century wars. Great stuff. |
MajorB | 14 Apr 2014 4:49 a.m. PST |
Remember 2016 is 200 years. Um
actually it's 150 years
I agree that BP arent the best rules for this war. I would use other rules or some house rules to better reflect the specials of this war. (I dont understand for example, why BP gives modern rifles longer range but not more firepower. The problem the austrians had with the needle rifle wasn't the range, it was the speed of firing). It is a simple matter to increase the firepower of the Austrian Needle guns in BP. That is the beauty of BP as a game system – it is extremely easy to tweak for things like this, indeed the authors positively encourage it. |
Frederick | 14 Apr 2014 5:19 a.m. PST |
Great looking game – thanks for posting! I must confess that I actually quite like the Black Powder rules – much less predictable than other rule sets I have used – in my view, a great beer and chips games system |
bruntonboy | 14 Apr 2014 5:30 a.m. PST |
Great looking game matey. Blackpowder works fine for 1866 IMHO, and also works fine for AWI, Napoleonics and WSS. It needs tweaks for each period but we usually have fun, enjoy the game and get a plausible result out of it from a game that feels right. One of the things to remember in the 1866 war is just how close run most of the battles were, we do tend to get bogged down in worshiping the needlegun and breech loading guns but in the actual conflict the Austrian's used their older guns with much more effect than the Prussians (and usually had them well forward so they outnumbered the enemy cannon)and whilst the storm column came unstuck they had their odd moments. Leadership on both sides was not particularly brilliant and was something that Blackpwder takes account of very well-and simply. Lastly if you expand (!) into the Western theatre you will find the Bavarian's managed to inflict horrendous casualties on the Prussians by using their style of semi-skirmish line against them and that is with muzzle-loaders! So a missed chance by the Austrians. Well done. |
Chad47 | 14 Apr 2014 7:09 a.m. PST |
Not sure how you define horrendous casualties. The Prussian General Staff History gives the following: Zella Prussian 74 Bavarian 164 Wiesenthal Prussian 210 Bavarian 609 Hammelburg Prussian 82 Bavarian 64 Kissingen Prussian 909 Bavarian 1221 Helmstadt Prussian 353 Bavarian 730 Rossbrun Prussian 856 Bavarian 860 Pete |
KTravlos | 14 Apr 2014 8:39 a.m. PST |
Great Looking game. I have the 1859/1864 Grand Tactical rules and they have some good ideas in them. |
Royal Marine | 14 Apr 2014 3:36 p.m. PST |
BP works just fine. They need some period specifics to add the flavours, some of which differ to 1859 and also to the latter 1870/1 timeframe and doctrines. Have also used Volley and Bayonet for this; great for really big games. |