| John the OFM | 05 Apr 2014 8:04 p.m. PST |
As opposed to an illegitimate pretender? |
| Bashytubits | 05 Apr 2014 8:05 p.m. PST |
Someone who has legal documents granting pretend permission. The other being Illegimate you just feel sorry for. |
Roderick Robertson  | 05 Apr 2014 8:24 p.m. PST |
Backing of a major power who declares your legitimacy, as opposed to a peasant claiming royal blood? |
| Peachy rex | 05 Apr 2014 8:31 p.m. PST |
Daenerys, Stannis & Renly were all pretenders; the first two are legitimate, in that they have actual legal claims to the throne. Renly was not – his claim boiled down to "I'm prettier and more likeable than my big brother." |
| TNE2300 | 05 Apr 2014 9:02 p.m. PST |
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 piper909  | 05 Apr 2014 11:13 p.m. PST |
Hmmm. I guess Bonnie Prince Charlie was a "legitimate pretender" (and as a committed Jacobite I shun the term "pretender" anyway; he just lost, he didn't pretend to be anything he wasn't) while that oddball recent Belgian Stuart claimant is just a "pretender." link Or those fake Plantagenets. |
| piper909 | 05 Apr 2014 11:20 p.m. PST |
Not to forget the Chicago Cubs, who pretend to be a real baseball team! Is "contender" equal to "pretender?" |
| Zippee | 06 Apr 2014 2:27 a.m. PST |
Pretty sure a legitimate pretender is the one who wins – kill all the competition and your legitimacy dramatically improves! |
| GurKhan | 06 Apr 2014 7:16 a.m. PST |
"Pretender" means "claimant", not pretend as in made-up. So pretenders can be legitimate, illegitimate, and all shades of maybe. |
| BrianW | 06 Apr 2014 9:01 a.m. PST |
Of course, you could also be the Great Pretender. For that though, you need a section of doo-wop backup singers.
BWW |
| piper909 | 06 Apr 2014 9:59 a.m. PST |
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 optional field | 06 Apr 2014 2:21 p.m. PST |
Pretender is from the French prétendre meaning to put forth or to claim. Claimant would be a much better, and far less misleading term in English. |
| Ed Mohrmann | 06 Apr 2014 4:10 p.m. PST |
My wife as seamstress ? Oh, wait…. |
| StarfuryXL5 | 06 Apr 2014 6:44 p.m. PST |
I coulda been a pretendah! |
| vtsaogames | 06 Apr 2014 8:10 p.m. PST |
My take: a blood relative of the current dynasty or the previous one that was overthrown is a genuine pretender, someone only claiming the above is not. Monmouth would be iffy, since he was an illegitimate relative of the Royal family. That explains the close haircut they gave him. |
 miniMo | 07 Apr 2014 3:24 p.m. PST |
A bastard who claims to have been born legally? |
| Jemima Fawr | 10 Apr 2014 5:59 a.m. PST |
Piper, A 'Committed Jacobite'? Did your great-great-great grandmother once sit on a thistle? |
