marco56 | 02 Apr 2014 6:29 p.m. PST |
Could someone explain what this means?I really don't know that much about 18th cen.uniforms. Mark |
dmebust | 02 Apr 2014 6:51 p.m. PST |
It means the tails on the jacket are "turned back" and buttoned to the back of the jacket thus showing the color of the inside of the jacket, yellow, red, blue, green. This usually coordinated with the cuffs showing the same color. |
John the OFM | 02 Apr 2014 6:55 p.m. PST |
A coat was normally "lined" with a different, usually lighter cloth. When the skirts of the coat are pinned back to give the soldier freer movement, they are said to be "turned back". The turnback color is the color of the lining. With the British, usually, it's white, but could be buff. Referring to "facing" color early in the 18th C, they are often called "linings". Marlburian uniforms often did not pin back the coat tails. So, you often see uniforms "without turnbacks". All that means is that the tails were not pinned back. They could be, but are not. |
vtsaogames | 02 Apr 2014 6:58 p.m. PST |
During the Seven Years War some French regiments turned the tails back, some didn't. It was the colonel's choice. I have a unit painted as Swiss without turnbacks. It was slightly easier to paint them. |
vtsaogames | 02 Apr 2014 7:01 p.m. PST |
Here is a coat without turnbacks link And here is one with turnbacks
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Extra Crispy | 02 Apr 2014 7:03 p.m. PST |
Here's a picture:
Notice the red turnback framing his right hand: the red color is the coat lining, the blue is the coat color. |
Cardinal Hawkwood | 02 Apr 2014 7:54 p.m. PST |
kronskof image s dont travel well, or at all |
marco56 | 03 Apr 2014 3:39 a.m. PST |
Thank you for your replys.Does anybody know if the French in North America usually had turnbacks or was it individual choice by each regiment?Same question for British. Mark |
historygamer | 03 Apr 2014 7:31 a.m. PST |
For what period? F&I or Rev War? For F&I the British coat skirts were usually the same as the facing color. They were usually worn pinned (hooks and eyes) back, except for officers, who usually wore their coat tails down. Coat skirts, like cuffs, could be undone for extra warmth during cold duty. link
For Rev War the coat tails would likely be hooked back for all, though some officers sometimes wore theirs down. More common for all to be hooked back. Of course the exception here are the round about jackets (no tails at all) or cut down regimental coat, whose tails were often very small and sewn back to the coat body. link Highland coats in both periods were short. link For French, the skirts could be worn down or back as well, depending on circumstances – at least for F&I. link |
marco56 | 03 Apr 2014 8:22 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the info historygamer.So it could be either way in the FIW which is what I'm interested in.I just didn't know if it was different in North America as opposed to Europe. Mark |
historygamer | 03 Apr 2014 8:40 a.m. PST |
They usually only unhooked their coat tails during cold periods. I have seen modern references to on the march, but that makes little sense since the would get muddy. Officers wore their down all the time during this period – I am talking about the Brits here. I think the French marine drawing is a good one and shows both – though most believe French Marines only wore their sleeved waistcoat during summer months. To throw a wrinkle into this, in 1759 it seems Amherst ordered his men to leave their regimental coats in storage during the summer campaign. By all accounts, Wolfe's army wore full regimentals. There may have been tactical differences in their deployments too – Amherst using ranks of two, Wolfe ranks of three (with minor exceptions). |
historygamer | 03 Apr 2014 8:42 a.m. PST |
Remember, the further you are away from home, the more you can do what you (and your commander) want to do. In the Bouquet Papers, Forbes scolds the officers for not wearing their red coats all the time. |
Titchmonster | 03 Apr 2014 3:16 p.m. PST |
During the WSS time peroid, Sweden and Hanover started the trend. |
Major Bloodnok | 14 Apr 2014 3:08 a.m. PST |
There are sketches of British soldiers on the march during the Culloden campaign and they are wearing the turnbacks down and the hats uncocked. |