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Tango0131 Mar 2014 11:03 p.m. PST

"During the gloomy years of the Cold War, no other country could expect to be as badly wrecked by a nuclear war than West Germany.

It would have been the principal battlefield during a full-scale conflict, and would have been caught between the largest armies ever to do battle.

Not surprisingly, NATO commanders judged the life expectancy of West Germany's airfields to be pretty short—were they to come under attack. Israel's surprise assault on Arab air bases in June 1967 showed just how vulnerable conventional airstrips are to well-planned attacks from the air…"
Full article here.
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Armand

GarrisonMiniatures01 Apr 2014 11:57 a.m. PST

So… why didn't Germany just buy the Harrier?

Deadone01 Apr 2014 2:49 p.m. PST

Very cool article.

The Germans were involved in the initial Harrier precursor – the Hawker Siddley P.1127 Kestrel and was part of the Tri-partite Evaluation Squadron.

But instead of Harriers they brought Tornados and Alpha Jets.

As the article states, the assumption in the 1970s was more conventional warfare, not nuclear warfare.

There was also a big push towards hardening airbases – hardened air shelters, underground storage, more efficient runways lay outs etc.

Hence it was viewed that conventional airbases were far more survivable.

Merely cratering a runway would be just a short glitch and one could resume operations quickly.

Obviously 1991 showed that hardened airbases wouldn't withstand modern guided munitions.

Iraq had some superb high quality airbases too built by the British and Yugoslavs. These were called Super Bases.

Article on Iraqi Super Bases:

acig.org/artman/publish/article_377.shtml

Lion in the Stars01 Apr 2014 5:47 p.m. PST

So… why didn't Germany just buy the Harrier?
Not Invented Here.

Deadone01 Apr 2014 6:57 p.m. PST

At the times the Brits were ordering first Harriers, the Germans were ordering F-4 Phantoms, UH-1 Hueys, CH-53 Sea Stallions, MIM-23 Hawks etc.


So definitely no case of "Not Invented Here."


The original Harriers were extremely limited in capability – they were limited light ground attack jets with no A2A capability.


The RAF itself only acquired 4 squadrons worth of Harrier GR.1s (some 60 jets).

They then loaded up on more capable Jaguars and Tornados.

The USMC also ordered only 110 AV-8As and then continued buying F-4s, A-4Ms and then F/A-18s.


By the time the definitive Harrier II came out, the Luftwaffe had already reequipped with Alpha Jets and Tornados.


Quite simply the original Harrier was too limited in capability.

Tango0101 Apr 2014 10:55 p.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed the article my friend.

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Armand

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