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Tango0122 Mar 2014 9:02 p.m. PST

"1989, the Chinese Chengdu Aerospace Corporation unveiled a major upgrade for its locally-made F-7 jet fighter, a licensed copy of the classic Soviet MiG-21. The new F-7 variant moved the engine air intake from the nose tip to the sides of the fuselage, making room in the nose for a more powerful radar.

Twenty-one years later, this upgrade—now named JF-17 Thunder—is flying combat missions with the Pakistani air force, so far its sole user. Further enhanced with a new wing, a cutting-edge intake design and a new, more powerful engine, the JF-17 is Pakistan's most important front-line fighter—and a remarkable extension of a basic plane design dating back to the 1950s.

In essence, the JF-17 is the ultimate MiG-21. In a sector increasingly dominated by American-made stealth fighters, European "canard" planes and variants of the Russian Su-27, the JF-17 is an outlier—a highly evolutionary plane that doesn't try to be revolutionary.

After all, revolutionary is expensive…"

Full article here.
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Garand22 Mar 2014 9:34 p.m. PST

Not the first time this happened. The Chinese also developed the J-8/F-8 that uses a similar configuration in an enlarged MiG-21 airframe, and the A-5 did the same thing to the MiG-19 airframe (albeit to create an attack aircraft rather than an air combat fighter).

Damon.

GarrisonMiniatures23 Mar 2014 4:35 a.m. PST

New wing, new engine, new fusilage design so that air intakes are in the wing roots, with a new nose – how far does a plane have to change before it's considered a new plane? This one sounds like Abe Lincoln's axe!

Dan Wideman II23 Mar 2014 5:48 a.m. PST

It's also telling how much the wing and tail surfaces mirror the F-16.

Chortle Fezian23 Mar 2014 7:36 p.m. PST

>>> It's also telling how much the wing and tail surfaces mirror the F-16.

The Chinese got a lot of technology and assistance from Israel. I seem to remember that the US congress threatened to cut off $4 USD billion funding to Israel at one point over alleged technology transfer.

It is all bad news for Taiwan :-( You can find many articles on tech transfer from Israel to China. This is an old one (from 2003)

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Deadone23 Mar 2014 8:09 p.m. PST

Article ignores a few things:

1. China is not inducting the JF-17 into service. It's purely an export fighter and it's mainly for Pakistan.

China is acquiring J-10 (developed from IAI Lavi), J-11/15-16 (Su-27/30/-33), JH-7 (less developed strike bomber in same category as Tornado) and new stealth fighters J-20 and J-21.

2. When it comes down to it, this thing is in the same wieght category as the JAS-39, not the F-16. It is also not even close to a JAS-39 in terms of performance or avionics.


It's closest rival in aviation is the Indian Light Combat Aircraft Tejas which is meant to be entering IOC this year.

3. No-one is buying this thing. Pakistan acquired 50 but procurement efforts for the next batch have stalled due to Pakistani economic problems. Plans for a 3rd Pakistani squadron equipped with JF-17s keep getting pushed back.

Instead the Pakistanis are acquiring some ex-Jordanian F-16s (which are ex-Dutch/Belgian/USAF) though which shows you how much they value the JF-17.

Because even an upgraded 1980s F-16A/B is still a far better plane than this one in terms of payload, performance and avionics.

Anyone that can afford supersonics is going Su-27/-30 or MiG-29 or JAS-39 (or F-35 if they're in the Uncle Sam club).

Even old ex-Israeli Kfirs and ex-SAAF Cheetahs have sold over the JF-17, not to mention 1980s F-16A/Bs (albeit gone through MLU upgrade).


In essence JF-17 is a symbol of Pakistani desperation to keep up with the Indians at a time when their main ally, the US. shut off the arms tap.

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