"Argentina Threatens Britain" Topic

Argentina's minister of Defence called on the UK "to sit and dialogue" over the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty and warned that the British military presence in the South Atlantic "is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory".

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The Falklands are filled with Brits.

Argentina made Britain pay for the islands in blood.

The Islanders have a right to self determination.

It's been British since 1833, and multiple countries claimed it before that.

Is Argentina going to return the land it took from Paraguay after the War of the Triple Alliance? (1864-1870)

Realistically it ain't going to happen.

'The Islanders have a right to self determination.'

Agreed 100%. If Argentina want it, the smart move would be to offer to buy it off the islanders. Offer 5 million dollars a throw and a big lump of land on the islands for every 'Yes let's join Argentina' vote. It would be a lot cheaper than a war. And have more chance of success.

Ha!Ha! What a crap Bla!Bla!Bla! (smile).

"The air demonstration included Argentine Air Force Hercules, Mirages, Saab 340 and Russian manufactured helicopters followed by Uruguayan Pucará, Brazilian Tucanos and the Chilean Air Force Falcons Extra 300 squadron. The AT-63 Pampa II led the air show escorted by four AI-63 Pampa."

Wow!.
That's a real thread to the British Forces in the Islands!! (smile).
Pucará II or Pucará VI is the same s…
A training plane.

We have not any Air Force now, as not Navy nor Army are worth mentioning.

Peace with our British cousins.
They are doing well in the Islands.

Amicalement
Armand

It's a tradition for many a government – economy tanking, government incompetent? Better rattle the sabre and blame foreigners then. Nothing particularly Argentine about it, and I think the Argentine people can smell the BS just as well as us.

It's a rather ancient story – from 18 months ago. Putridjelly is now long-gone as Argentine defence minister.

However, as Putridjelly points out – the ONLY thing stopping Argentine imperialism is the British garrison. Nice of the Argentines to point that out and it directly contradicts their usual bollox of Britain 'militarising the South Atlantic'.

I would offer to trade politicians (JK) but that would be like moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic…

Its a pity because I'm sure if the Argentinean government were to cooperate with Britain on the development of the potential oilfields there it would be a big financial win-win for everyone. As it is they will just lose out.

They did have that agreement (brokered by Menem), along with agreements on joint fisheries, but the Kirchners pulled out of those deals and instead instigated a programme of deliberate over-fishing, in an attempt to ruin the Falklands fishery (and their own by default). Their malignant stupidity knows know bounds.

Well said Tango

There are enough wars and potential wars simmering already!

Shalom, and I'm not even Jewish

You could actually game this as near future ,
Argentina will focus on being strong allies with Brazil and they fall out with US and pick on one of their allies by taking the Falklands .
Brazil has one of the fastest growing economies and it would be only natural to kick out any European influences in the region.
Perhaps give the scenario a motive with vast amounts of black gold.

As Armand said (and others of the same thoughts), and let's get rid of these buffoons on both sides who try to pull the wool over the peoples eyes and good men/women die needlessly. Cooperation would have benefited all a long time ago.

I would offer to trade politicians (JK) but that would be like moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic…

Aren't there laws about shipping toxic waste internationally?

Zargon,

You assume that both sides are at fault. They are not. Argentina alternately lies, threatens, lies, blusters, lies, whinges, lies, obfuscates, lies, misrepresents and lies.

Let's get something absolutely straight: Argentina has NEVER had a valid claim on the Falkland Islands. They have never been Argentine, they are not Argentine and they never will be Argentine unless the population wish them to be so. Argentina has repeatedly told a pack of lies regarding their fantasy history (invented in the 1930s & 40s) and 'quoted' non-existent 'UN Resolutions' (even one that was actually voted DOWN by the UNGA).

With the sole exception of Menem, there has been no interest in cooperation from Argentina. They regard the islanders as Untermenschen worthy only of colonisation by Argentina and refuse to acknowledge their existence, let alone talk to them.

Cooperation on a range of issues has been repeatedly offered and refused (well, ignored for the main part) by Argentina: most recently in 2013, when Foreign Minister Timmerman failed to turn up for his requested meeting with William Hague merely because of Hague's insistence that the Falklanders had to be party to any meetings regarding THEIR islands.

Even if we DID have negotiations with Argentina (did I mention that they are proven liars?), why do you suppose for a second that Argentina would keep to their end of the bargain? They have a track record of breaking or failing to abide by treaties, contracts, UN Resolutions and the norms of civilised behaviour. That good people have died over the issue is SOLELY the fault of Argentina. They like to bleat about it being not their responsibility; that it was the 'Junta', as if the Junta were some sort of foreign invading force that Argentina had no responsibility for, yet at the same time issue coins hold parades such as the one linked by the OP, celebrating their war of aggression of 1982. It's like Germany denying responsibility for the Nazis, yet simultaneously celebrating the invasion of Poland and constantly whinging for the return of the Sudetenland.

'em.

R Mark Davies – I know the history of the Faulklands, Tired of the jingoistic tirades from, again, 'both' sides let's ask the question. How can we make the 'people' not the politicians happy over this (and for that matter other situation that manipulate us the people)?

@ Zargon, please tell me what's jingoistic about the islanders having the right to determine their future?

Zargon,

You clearly don't know the history of the Falklands, or you wouldn't be pressing this tired issue.

For the Nth time of saying it: The People (i.e. the only people who count – the Falklanders) ARE happy with the situation, as was clearly demonstrated in last year's referendum (voted for by over 98% of the Falklands electorate). It has nothing whatsoever to do with British politicians one way or the other and it is most disingenuous to suggest that it is.

Argentina has no claim, no validity, no rights, no morality and no justification for pursuing their 'claim'. The only 'dispute' is in the deluded fantasies of the Malvinista morons. If that's jingoistic, you must have a different dictionary to mine.

Would you negotiate ownership of your house with the grandson of someone who once burgled it?

Fishing expedition, using the tactics of moving slowly, hoping to get a bite?