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Early morning writer03 Mar 2014 9:35 p.m. PST

I found this link laregt1776.org when considering adding a Spanish brigade to my 15 mm figure collection for the American Revolution.

These look almost more French and Indian War era to me. EIther way, can anyone advise the best figures to use to recreate this unit – in 15 mm of course.

I already have a grenadier battalion using the Frei Korp figures. Would want to add 3 battalions to get to a 'full' brigade but might just go with two and some Spanish militia for the fourth element of the brigade. If I do the latter option, again – what figures would be best to do a Spanish militia for this era?

Thanks for your assistance on this.

historygamer04 Mar 2014 11:25 a.m. PST

Militia from where, the islands or southern North America? Could be a significant difference.

Bill N04 Mar 2014 5:29 p.m. PST

One problem that you may run into is that many of the Spanish units in the Americas, like the French, and sometimes even the British, would have provided detachments for different campaigns rather than supplying entire units. The following is taken from an article on the 1781 siege of Pensacola order of battle by Albert W. Haarmann

Spanish from New Orleans, Mobile and Havana
Inmemorial del Rey 271
Principe 127
Soria 616
Guadalajara 441
Espana 133
Toledo
Mallorca (4 fuisilier cos+2 grenadier cos)
Navarra 358
Hibernia (Irish) 580
Aragon 724
Segundo Vols de Cataluna 347
Flandes (Walloon) 193
Royal Artillery 223
Fijo de la Habana 62
Fijo de la Luisiana 135
Dragones de America 85
Dragones de Luisiana 43
Carabiniers 11
Louisiana militia company (mulatto) 135
Louisiana militia company (negro) 139
Naval forces serving ashore (3 inf bttns + artillery) 1,504

French (total ca. 725 from Agenois, Gatinois, Cambresis, Poitou, Orleans, Colonia Regt. Du Cap plus Artillery and navy)

British (total ca. 2,000)
16th Foot 110
60th Foot-3rd Bn. 133
Royal Artillery 36
Royal Navy 246
3rd Regt. Waldeck 303
Pennsylvania Loyalists 62
Maryland Loyalists 135
Provincial Cavalry 19
Indians (Creeks, Choctaws, Chickasaws) and local militia including black troops.

Numbers are for officers and men

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP04 Mar 2014 5:54 p.m. PST

Bill N.

I found this article online, is this the one you referred to:

link

If so, would it be asking to much for an electronic copy of the article, if you already have one in your possesion?

Please advise,

Andrew

11th ACR Inactive Member04 Mar 2014 7:32 p.m. PST

A nice line of 28mm AWI Spanish Infantry.
link

Early morning writer04 Mar 2014 9:24 p.m. PST

Okay, first – 11th ACR: can you advise temperature in which to wash 28 mm figures in order to shrink them down to 15 mm, please? : )

historygamer: primarily for use in the Floridas but might see use in a Caribbean event.

Jim, very nice list.

So, any 15 mm figures out their suitable for AmRev Spanish? Besides the Freikorps offfering I already have.

Bill N05 Mar 2014 4:41 a.m. PST

Andrew-I believe that may be the same article. I don't have Jstor access at the moment.

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2014 6:43 a.m. PST

Thanks Bill.

I put out some feelers with some librarians I know who may have free access to JSTOR, if not…I guess I'll have to buy a copy.

Tercio Idiaquez Inactive Member05 Mar 2014 9:48 a.m. PST

For the spanish soldiers in Panzacola campaign there is a problema for the peninsular units.
For the military units from América (Habana, Fijo de Louisiana) you can use french soldiers. I have done my army with old glory minis (french soldiers references).

The problema are the peninsular units, which had an special hat "gorro de plumillas"
link

It was used for a short time and never for american units, only peninsular.

For the grenadiers I have used napoleonic spanish grenadiers but I have added them the sleeves with putty.

Early morning writer06 Mar 2014 7:25 p.m. PST

Tercio, thank you, that is a wonderful link – and I don't read or understand Spanish hardly at all, don't need to with those illustrations, really.

Tercio Idiaquez Inactive Member07 Mar 2014 5:57 a.m. PST

Well, if you have any doubt, with my "spanglish" I´ll try to help you.

marco56 Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2014 4:35 p.m. PST

A lot of Louisiana militia were cajuns.
Mark

Early morning writer22 May 2014 6:21 p.m. PST

Okay, so I've now decided the units I want for my Spanish Brigade of the Floridas – one grenadier, two line battalions, and one militia battalion.

The grenadiers seem easy, Galvan's (though a picture to guide my painting would be great). But I'd like suggestions for the best two (most action in Florida) for the two line battalions and the militia battalion (again, most action preferred). I've already bought the figures, in 15 mm; I'm using French figures (closest I can find) for the line and just plain militia for the militia. Galvan's grenadiers are from Freikorp (QRF).

This is for fun more than for careful historical accuracy – but that doesn't mean I abandon history completely. That's why I'm here asking for your assistance.

Last, photos of uniforms great (perhaps the units in Tercio's link above?).

Thank you kindly for your assistance in this matter.

Augie the Doggie Inactive Member22 May 2014 8:37 p.m. PST

If you are interested in the Spanish army in the AWI then you should consider purchasing a copy of John Ray's book, "A Military Gentleman".

link

There are lots and lots of pictures of the Spanish campaigns.

Supercilius Maximus23 May 2014 5:52 a.m. PST

There is a series of Spanish books – not unlike the Osprey Campaign series – which includes two that cover the sieges of Pensacola and Gibraltar; both have some good details on TOE and uniforms for the Spanish in American and Europe.

Personal logo andygamer Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member23 May 2014 4:47 p.m. PST

The Osprey/MAA-like series is "Guerreros Y Batallas" from Almena publishing. La Campana de Pensacola, 1781 (#7 in the series; 2002) is written by Manuel Petinal.

I bought my copy from the Spanish military bookdealer, Libros Reyes, although I don't know if they'd still have any in stock.

Supercilius Maximus24 May 2014 1:07 a.m. PST

Them's the ones.

Tercio Idiaquez Inactive Member25 May 2014 1:47 a.m. PST

That book is great for this campaign.
My favourite units: Hibernia (irish regiment with the red uniform), Inmemorial del Rey and Soria.
Militia; "milicias de color de la Habana" (black soldiers).

Ainvar Inactive Member20 Oct 2014 9:58 a.m. PST

Hi everybody.
I am planning to collect some miniatures of spanish forces in Pensacola's campaign in order to used them to play "Musket and Tomahawk".
I want to use Perry's french with several changes as grenadiers and some regulars. My problems begin with moreno's militias and regulars with "gorro de plumillas".
I visit historifigs web and the miniatures fix good but they have a very few poses.
What do you use to form these units?

Crazycoote Inactive Member20 Oct 2014 10:45 a.m. PST

11th ACR,

Just tried your link -it seems broken. What company were you pointing to?

Ainvar Inactive Member21 Oct 2014 12:41 p.m. PST

It seems that the link was pointing to historifigs.

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