"USA war Vs Moros Philipinos" Topic

I'm in the process of setting some small armies for another theorical small wargame project..that is , as usual, another sideshow with exotic/colonial flavour..The Moros Vs USA. I've some few Pass of The North nice 25mm minis and some over armoured/equiped OG ones..i'v read some sources on the web and i would like to buy some books..obviously something less political oriented that could be useful above all for setting wargame scenarios and fell the period..possibly with units compositions and maps..i've selected those two (the second is available as PDF on the web but maybe the new edition contains some new stuff/maps):
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You will enjoy them both! Lots of skirmish scenarios to be mined from these!
Mike

Brain McAllister Linn's _The Philippine War, 1899-1902_ is indispensible, IMO.

The OG figures aren't really Moros; they're based on an illustration from the Brassey's SAW book of a fight between US troops and ordinary Phillipino insurgents. Still, if that's what you're looking for…

Try Monday Knight Productions.
mondayknight.com

U.S. Troops.
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Moro Troops.
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thanks to all for the kind suggestions..i'll also have a look at McAllister book.
BTW OG actually made a pair of bags of Moros..they are absolutely Muslim Moros not European clothed Philipinos..i have them with typical hand weapons and turbans..
MKP are smaller..but very nice,,in fact i decided, after a lot of recruiting parades, to use everything that i have together..after all i think that philippinos must not be very tall..so my old Frontier Minis Moros in the process of being dimissioned will, at last moment, be recruited again and painted

sorry..one last advice needed..
somebody had read this one?…is it useful for wargame purposes as the above mentioned 2?
in fact the front cover is really promising :-)

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shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Phil.html
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I have both OG packs and Brassey's History of Uniforms: Spanish-American War 1898.

The OG figures are very obviously directly based on figures in the painting on page 79 of that volume, which depicts the break-out from the convent at Catubig, on the island of Samar, on 16th of April 1900.

In the painting the attacking natives are depicted clad mainly in traditional costume (including the idiosyncratic style of armour and helmets represented in the OG armoured 'Moro' pack), and mostly with traditional weapons. They were not Moros, and this conflict pre-dated the Moro campaigns by a few years.

For me this OG pack coded SAW-32 represent tipically Muslim Moro warriors from Sulu..different from the plate represented in Brassey book

I've always thought of Italians as mercurial rather than obstinately obtuse, but…

Clearly the most reliable way for readers of this forum to determine the truth of my assertion as to the source of the two OG packs is to do what I'm doing, and have both the plate in question, and the OG figures, in front of them for direct comparison, but as that's not going to be possible for the majority, as a second best option:

There are three shield variants in the OG packs. There are three shield variants in the Brassey's plate. They are almost identical, the only difference being that on the OG one with concentric rings the decorative pattern is simplified.

As others have commented, the styles of armour and helmet depicted on the figures in the OG armoured Moros pack weren't used by Moros, but they are the same as those depicted on two of the figures in the plate.

The traditional tunic worn by the OG variant at top right with empty hands is the same as that worn by the bottom right figure in the plate.

Of the five figures in the plate three are armed with bolos, as are two of the above variants.

One of the figures in the painting is holding a spear two-handed, and two of the OG variants are supplied empty-handed to take a wire spear two-handed.

The left-most figure in the plate is naked above the waist, wearing straight-leg trousers and a sash like the OG figure firing a rifle. The figure in the plate is wielding a bolo, and the OG variant has a bolo in a scabbard.

The OG figures have head variants that were sculpted specifically for the Moro packs, in bandanas which vary as to the position of the tail, as do those on three of the figures in the plate.

The body of the bottom left figure in the above photo is from the Indian Mutiny badmash pack. I don't have any OG Boxers, but I suspect that other bodies may have been drawn from that range. What I'm saying is that any new bodies sculpted specifically for the Moro packs were entirely, or very nearly entirely, based on the Brassey's plate. The natives in the plate are mostly shown from the rear, so the OG sculptor would, aside from the lace-fronted example already mentioned, have had to look elsewhere – or guess! – for details of shirt fronts.

Interestingly, some of the clothing in the plate (one shirt and two pairs of trousers)is coloured in rayadillo pattern, suggesting that it's actually captured Spanish stock.

I should just add that the sort of body reuse mentioned here is quite common in Old Glory ranges. For example, the kneeling body top left in the above photo appears, with the addition of sandals and a bandolier and a change of rifle, in the PIM range.

Henry Martini..just a question
but a part those boring..(and almost wrong) pot pouri kind of "lesson" on Moros as represented in toys….do you have any sane interests in your spare time?..like going pick up girls and practicing sport?…in a few words ..are you able to enjoy life?
sorry but ..i'm Italian

Hearty guffaw!

Or, to use the contemporary vernacular: LOL!

I can recommend The Moro War by James Arnold; fascinating read and period. I think it's available from Amazon, but you could check in with the author at his website; just search under Napoleon Books.

Just saw this site of intrest:
Go to the, recreationalconflict.com

+Colonial
-East of Java

They look nice and would work well.

So the OG pack SAW31 does it represent Moros accurately or are they something else.I'm a little confused here.
Mark

There's no reason for confusion, Marco. As noted above, both 'Moro' packs are very obviously based on the painting on page 79 of the Brassey's book on the Spanish American War, which depicts a fight in 1900 between US volunteer infantry and natives of the island of Samar. Most of Samar's inhabitants are (and were) Christian. Moros are Muslims from Mindanao.

Ok at least their filipinos. What about the Moros,how different did they look?
Mark

There's an illustration of Moro warriors from the long-defunct magazine 'Savage and Soldier' earlier in this thread. From the photos I've seen of them, the Monday Knight Productions Moros are almost certainly heavily inspired by this picture.

It's a bit difficult to discern how different the costume of Moros and Samar natives was from a single illustration, but the Brassey's picture suggests that the latter were more heavily influenced by the Spanish, both contemporary (e.g. the items of Spanish uniform) and conquest era; e.g. the imitation cabacet helmets. The figures in the S & S drawing wear items not depicted on the OG figures: long skirt, short open jacket, and skin-tight trousers. I have no idea whether these were ever worn by Samarians. Otherwise there are obvious similarities.

Not really my field but Samar is not that far from Mindanao geographically so I doubt there was all that much difference – and what there was would be pretty minor at gaming scales. Use what works for you. It's just a game.