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Tgunner08 Feb 2014 5:18 p.m. PST

15mm Khurasan has your Russians and maybe your Chinese later down the line. IIRC, QRF also has moderns stuff for China and Russian coming down too. Rebel Minis has the only 15mm Chinese on the market right now.

Good luck with vehicles.

For a scenario, you might want to look into the old video game "People's General". This game is an old SSI wargame (for Windows 95+) that covered a WWIII scenario where the PRC runs amuck in Asia which much of the fighting happening in Russia. That game could give you some scenario ideas and it has some nice maps that cover the terrain. Be prepared, though, for fairly empty boards with lots of mountains, hills, forests and swamps. Truly a wild and wooly part of the world.

I'm wanting to do something similar down the line when I have the time and terrain.

McWong7308 Feb 2014 7:29 p.m. PST

A Russian air drop gone bad would be an interesting fight. As noted outside of infantry figures you will have trouble finding good PLA vehicles. I'd be very keen to see Type99 tanks to go up against Khurasan Russian tanks. Then you could game a PLA thrust to Vladivostok, which I would think would be a major PLA objective in any shooting war.

charles popp08 Feb 2014 7:30 p.m. PST

People General was a very interesting and hard to master game.

Mako1108 Feb 2014 8:19 p.m. PST

Any Chinese/Russian islands in dispute?

I'd start there, perhaps.

Good for air and naval gaming, plus possibly airborne drops, amphibious ops, and land combat.

Have the Chinese make a play for Sakhalin Island, and the peninsula to the East of Shenyang, for resources, strategic defense, dubious historical precedence claims, etc.

Isn't the Sea of Okhotsk part of the East East China Sea?

McWong7308 Feb 2014 10:02 p.m. PST

Not really any islands, but they are very much competing for influence in central Asia. Pipeline fights aren't too fantastical an ignition point for a small war between the two. Big war, that would mean the PLA trying to knock Russia out of the Pacific, hence I'd look at Vladivostok as their main objective. Be too big a backdoor to leave open if you were planning on taking a chunk of Siberia, or fully annexing Mongolia.

GeoffQRF09 Feb 2014 12:52 a.m. PST

No, we have 15mm Chinese infantry too

Micman Supporting Member of TMP09 Feb 2014 1:13 p.m. PST

While I am seeing a lot of 15mm love in this thread,I want to point out that GHQ makes a bunch of PRC vehicles and troops 1/285.

GeoffQRF09 Feb 2014 2:49 p.m. PST

Here you go KB:
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GeoffQRF10 Feb 2014 3:48 a.m. PST

What do you need?

tkdguy03 Mar 2014 2:24 p.m. PST

I remember an old joke about that scenario:

On the first day, the Russians capture 2,000 Chinese troops.

On the second day, the Russians capture 10,000 Chinese troops.

On the third day, the Russians capture 50,000 Chinese troops.

On the fourth day, the Russians surrender.

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