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abdul666lw07 Feb 2014 12:40 p.m. PST

Victorian inspiration
Robida link when illustrating his vision of the 20th C. dressed 'active' women according to what was then the most 'modern' / 'progressive' style of female fashion: with the stockings (often covered with gaiters) and trousers of *bicycle riders*; worn under, to keep the costume feminine (and for 'decency' sake? Probably also to allow the use of a fashionable tournure 'bump enhancer'), a 'cosmetic' hiked up short skirt (the miniskirt of the time):

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Thus Robida provides us with an "authentic" period pattern for late 19th C. 'active' women sportswear.

Such costume can easily be 'militarized': give her

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a képi worn over a suitable haircut link, substitute the umbrella with a sword and a pistol at the waistbelt, and you have an 'authentic', historically VSF guaranteed Robidesque lady officer.

Steampunk variants
Some 'mainstream' VSF players, embarrassed by the 'excesses' of steampunk, try sometimes to exclude this 'black sheep' from their favorite genre. But steampunk, being Science-Fiction set in Victorian times, belongs to VSF. In the same way as 'traditional' SF set in the future encompasses very diverse subgenres from near-future 'hard science' to epic space opera of multi-galactic scope, Victorian SF encompasses various subgenres, steampunk among them. Steampunk merely comes further away from History / departs more from (quasi!)-historical accuracy than mainstream VSF, both by its 'weird' science and by getting rid of Victorian prejudices, chiefly with regard to gender roles and 'proper' behaviors -and thus (female) fashion. The two are logically correlated: 'weirder' contraptions and weapons requires an early divergence of science from our History, leaving more time to new technologies to impact on mentalities and society as a whole. One of the best discriminative is 'Women wear their corset under their dress in VSF, above it in steampunk': link.
Actually the silhouette of Robida's 'future' women is exactly that of typical steampunk girls link / link / link (in more subdued, he was publishing in the 1880). Thus variants of the VSF Robida women with a generous cleavage, a visible corset and stockings or skin-tight breeches link rather than rather baggy trousers would be 'steampunk' rather than 'mainstream VSF'. Of course they could be granted more 'exotic looking' weapons but for me I'm not a fan of goggles.

18th century variants?
Can these designed be easily adapted for 18th C. female adventurers, despite the fact that fashion was very different? In the Age of Enlightenment a few unconventional minds were already pondering about the practicability of clothes: for instance Maurice de Saxe when designing this infantry uniform:

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totally ignored current fashion, discussing and justifying every minute detail with only practicability in mind (with a special concern about the soldier's health, many more soldiers according to his experience being disabled by disease than by the enemy). Thus since most 'swashbuckling' 18th C. games are set in an 'alternate' world where some form of paranormal is not unknown, one can accept that here more practical women clothes are accepted.
Simply give the Robidesque female minis above a tricorne worn over a 'period' haircut
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and period weapons, and you get 18th C. female heroes.

Lacepunk variants?
18th C. adventures with some 'abnormal' element range from fantasy / gothic horror / lovecraftian / pulp ones with some form of supernatural but little or none 'Sci-Fi': Lacepulp to science-Fiction ones: Lacepunk link . Echoing the differences between mainstream VSF and steampunk, one can suggest that, while in Lacepulp settings fashion remains more or less as in our history, in a Lacepunk world feminine fashion departed much more from our historical precedent: thus the 18th C.-looking minis just discussed above would be fitting for Lacepulp female characters. For Lacepunk heroines, fashion would parallel steampunk trends link: generous cleavage, visible corset link / link, visible stockings or skin-tight breeches, possibly thigh boots over a pantyhose? Unhistorical as they may be they would look more '18th C.' than those miniature Tomb Raiders with slouch hats and flintlock pistols advertised as 'pirates' link. Of course they could receive more 'advanced' weapons: period revolvers, Puckle handgun &c… link or even a clockwork-powered repeating crossbow à la Van Helsing.

evil grin Now, wargaming minis are not intended to be submitted to close scrutiny but to be seen from some distance on the playing table: the most distinguishing features have to be somehow emphasized link (a far more acceptable anatomical inaccuracy than the oversized hand and feet of so many Foundry, GW &c… imho).

Lion in the Stars07 Feb 2014 2:02 p.m. PST

I'd be game for those, particularly in 15mm.

Narratio08 Feb 2014 12:00 a.m. PST

And nobody mentions that truly awesome looking tank? Or possibly it's an armored train? I'd love to see one of those on a battlefield, that silly gun has to something like a 1200 lb breech loader. Just imagine what happens with the recoil!

abdul666lw10 Feb 2014 5:23 a.m. PST

A 'Mobile blockhouse'. Other 'armored fighting vehicles':

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Similar mega-giga-guns on Robida's vision of future dreadnoughts:
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Clearly some of Robida's designs suffered the 'oversized weaponry' syndrome' long before Games workshop made it unfortunately fashionable among sculptors of fantasy & sci-fi miniatures!

Then most of his designs are visually more credible:

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His flying scouts and torpedo airboats look interestingly less like waterboats somehow flying than, say, many of 'Space 1889'.

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Robida gave 'ultra-modern uniforms' i.e. with bicycle riders socks & trousers to all types of troops of 'progressive' design or serving 'futuristic weapons' or contraptions:

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Biological and Chemical warfare (one of Robida's pet ideas

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Yet some images have a very 'Pax Limpopo' atmosphere:

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Found another example of female soldiers according to Robida:

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tkdguy10 Feb 2014 1:24 p.m. PST

Nice images! They'd be great for roleplaying games aa well as wargames. That could make a really fun game.

MrAverage11 Feb 2014 10:31 a.m. PST

Robida is one of my favorite fin-de-ciècle artists. His stuff is what I think of when I think of Steampunk. Oddly, I think his theory was that warfare was conducted internally at ten-year intervals mainly to control the population and "get it out of your system." I've had huge difficulties finding an edition of Le Vingtième Ciècle, which is where a lot of these illustrations are from, but if I could find it, I'd be a happy collector.

Freiherr Graham12 Feb 2014 9:47 a.m. PST

There is a lot of mileage in this! I hope you are good at scratch-building!

Two other good sources for scenarios along somewhat similar lines are "The Battle of Dorking" (written about 1885? I don't have the details to hand), and "When William came" by "Saki" / Hector Munro which is a bit later. Both involve German invasions of Britain.

foggybottom15 Mar 2014 5:08 a.m. PST

this a real treasure trove

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